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Athiests do not accept miracles
« on: September 19, 2010, 03:53:27 AM »
Athiests do not accept miracles

Duryodhana did not change even though Lord Krishna showed cosmic vision (Vishwavarupam). Therefore, there is no use of arguing with such rigid people. He may say that the science will develop some technique in future so that the human body may withstand such huge power to lift the mountain! This means that the fellow will not accept the genuine miracle at any cost. You should not entertain him any more with any further discussion. Salute him and leave him with folded hands saying that he is stronger than the king of this country.

 The king, having extreme powers, also may accept the logic in your discussion, but such fellow will never accept you and hence he is stronger than the king. Such fellow deserves highest regards, being more powerful than the king and hence you should salute him before you leave him.
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Re: Athiests do not accept miracles
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2011, 05:24:26 PM »
Somewhere in the discussion of whether God exists or not, the focus shifts from the subject matter, to the participants in the debate. Atheists consider it a personal insult to lose an argument to a theist. The small matter of miracles is better ignored or denied, because it ruins a great argument.
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Re: Athiests do not accept miracles
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 12:51:35 AM »
Quote from: Michaelii on June 21, 2011, 05:24:26 PM
The small matter of miracles is better ignored or denied, because it ruins a great argument.

Good point, but I prefer to debate by breaking down arguments and this would create a difficulty in doing so.

Either way, there are A LOT of people that do not believe in miracles and the idea of them, very devout people too so this entire argument is moot anyway. I have a lot of friends that are atheists, and I am Christian, we debate all the time, but the thing that I find interesting is that a lot of them have a lot more morals and values than other Christians that I know.
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Re: Athiests do not accept miracles
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 06:26:21 PM »
Many people deem themselves "believers" but the are skeptical about miracles.

Remember that even Saint Thomas, the Catholic Apostle who would not believe the resurrection of Jesus until he saw Jesus with his own eyes.

If him, who was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus, could not believe, how many doubting people can do it?
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Re: Athiests do not accept miracles
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2011, 02:42:12 AM »
Good points here, all.

I am married to a bona fide atheist. I accept this, but sometimes find it hard, as I have always been a spiritual person and believe in a Higher Power. He has read the Bible and does know it, but we have had arguments over the existence of Jesus and I tend to get frustrated and give up arguing with him.
I do believe that miracles can happen, my husband does not. So I resign myself to the fact that he has his firm beliefs, and I have mine.

Twocents says: "I have a lot of friends that are atheists, and I am Christian, we debate all the time, but the thing that I find interesting is that a lot of them have a lot more morals and values than other Christians that I know".

I have to agree with that. :)
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 02:38:19 PM »
Miracles are believe to be works of God and therefore atheist would not believe on miracles as they do not believe in God. I do not have an atheist friend nor meet one yet i know that being an atheist would not definitely mean they are not in good morals or doing bad things. I do agree that there are people having a religion but usually doing the wrong things.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2011, 10:34:37 PM »
I have to roll my eyes at an instance that happens quite often, when it comes to Atheists and miracles, or even prayers. I roll my eyes at my atheist husband.

We live in an area where we are prone to alot of Tornado Watches and Warnings. Every Spring when our weather is most severe, I become frightened whenever we're under a Tornado Warning. I always say a quick prayer and ask God to keep us safe, and to steer any tornadoes far away from us, should one happen...or even to keep the most severe weather away.

It always works, and after the storms pass, I thank God and praise him. My husband always chuckles and tells me that it's not God protecting us from possible tornadoes or severe storms, it's just pure luck. It's most frustrating to me when he says that, but I believe that those protection prayers do get answered.
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Re: Athiests do not accept miracles
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2011, 07:21:40 PM »
Do you believe I am an alien from the Gemini constellation?  Do you believe that Leprechauns exist?  Do you believe in garden Fairies?  Belief without evidence is irrational.  You can do it if you so wish but you can't have a logical debate on the issue.  The question remains, to what events to you maintain your healthy skepticism and require proof before provisionally concluding they are probable and to what events do you accept with no corroborative evidence?  The answer is simple of course, the two categories are Religion and Every other weird thing in the world.  To religion you forget your skepticism because it is emotionally comforting, to everything else you question and confirm.
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Re: Athiests do not accept miracles
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2011, 04:50:50 PM »
Atheists don't accept miracles as coming from a divine force, but certainly that miraculous things happen.  Things that extraordinary and are against all odds.  A man surviving a fall from great heights, for instance, is a miracle: an event to be awed at, to celebrate, and to be filled with joy about.  That's how I see it.
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Re: Athiests do not accept miracles
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2012, 07:48:46 AM »
A man falling from great heights isnt impossible, it doesnt happen often but its possible,thats why its called luck, so you cannot consider that a miracle, I would call it a miracle if a priest done that after praying for a week and drinking poison before jumping,especially if a guy intended it to be, just like the stories in the bible? where prophets seem to be quite sure of a miracle happening, now thats what i would call a miracle, and how sure are you that the guy who survived the fall wasn't an atheist? atheist
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Re: Athiests do not accept miracles
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2012, 03:44:43 PM »
Quote from: Michaelii on June 21, 2011, 05:24:26 PM
Somewhere in the discussion of whether God exists or not, the focus shifts from the subject matter, to the participants in the debate. Atheists consider it a personal insult to lose an argument to a theist. The small matter of miracles is better ignored or denied, because it ruins a great argument.

No, rational, logical people don't accept miracles.  Can you provide evidence of these miraculous events that seem to fly in the face of physics and biology, or do you just want us to accept it based on faith?  I think I know the answer.
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 04:29:05 PM »
Quote from: fast on September 19, 2010, 03:53:27 AM
Duryodhana did not change even though Lord Krishna showed cosmic vision (Vishwavarupam). Therefore, there is no use of arguing with such rigid people. He may say that the science will develop some technique in future so that the human body may withstand such huge power to lift the mountain! This means that the fellow will not accept the genuine miracle at any cost. You should not entertain him any more with any further discussion. Salute him and leave him with folded hands saying that he is stronger than the king of this country.

It's funny when believers call those who do not - rigid. After all those who believe, do so by blindly accepting fictional accounts and stories, that either never happened, or were bloated past any credibility, if not invented alltogether. They have never seen a miracle themselves, and even if they think they did, it was merely a misinterpretation.

My standpoint here mirrors the one you quote. I find arguing with the blind and rigid believers pointless. All that remains is laugh or shake head, and move on, not to fuel their childish fantasies.

I have not seen, nor heard of any credible raports of a miracle. Why should I accept hearsay? A genuine miracle would be so obvious, and so intense, that even the most rigid of atheists would have to accept it. Since the miracles so far have not done so, they are fiction, a scam and nothing worth a dispute.
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Re: Athiests do not accept miracles
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2012, 01:33:50 AM »
Quote from: cris2fear on February 14, 2012, 07:48:46 AM
A man falling from great heights isnt impossible, it doesnt happen often but its possible,thats why its called luck, so you cannot consider that a miracle, I would call it a miracle if a priest done that after praying for a week and drinking poison before jumping,especially if a guy intended it to be, just like the stories in the bible? where prophets seem to be quite sure of a miracle happening, now thats what i would call a miracle, and how sure are you that the guy who survived the fall wasn't an atheist? atheist

Not a miracle.  A low probability event.  Miracle implies an external entity produced it.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2012, 11:36:28 AM »
Everything is a miracle. It is a miracle that one does not dissolve in one's bath like a lump of sugar.
Pablo Picasso

We could be sugar but we’re not. Something made us human. Miracle isn’t the enchanting things done by magic or creatures simply created by imaginations. If there’s something that put you in a state of wonderment, like the sunrise or sunset, the birth of a child, a sprouting rose bud, an avalanche missing your home while hitting the rest of your neighborhood, a new day when the sun’s ray could just leap on earth and made it explode, you standing upright wherever in the round world you may be, that is what we call a miracle. I like the idea of leprechauns and fairies but I believe in love. People just feel love, don’t they? When your baby is born you just love him/her. Do you need proof for love?
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Re: Athiests do not accept miracles
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2012, 01:19:41 AM »
One more thing about 'miracles'. Take the Fatima miracle, the most famous one this century. The Pope and Christianity made such a big deal about it, but once you analyse it, you will learn that the 'prophecy' was interpreted *after* the facts, and that the girl who received the prophecy, was under lock and key in Vatican and various monasteries for decades, so they could have planted anything into her head. Especially that 6 days after the prophecy, as a small girl, she didn't even remember most of what Mother Mary supposedly said to her. But decades later, she could magically remember a lot more. Also 'converting Russia to catholicism' sounds awfuly like a political scheme than an order from God haha. If that's the best miracle we can get, no wonder people are sceptical.
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