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Ignorant people think that God is imaginable
« on: April 13, 2010, 03:32:42 AM »
Ignorant people think that God is imaginable

   People take the word Satsanga in the sense of a few devotees sitting together and enquire about God and other related aspects to God.  If all the born blind people sit together and discuss about Sun, their conclusion is that Sun is black because they always experience darkness only and not even a trace of light.  They can never turn even to the right direction in spite of intensive and very long  discussions.  If a person having eyes in seeing condition gets associated with them, then only they can understand something about Sun.

 At least, by his preaching they can understand that sun is not black.  Of course, they cannot experience light even after his preaching. Hence, he will not speak about light at all. He can remove their ignorance but cannot impart knowledge about Sun. Hence, Shiridi Baba told that the preachers speak about ignorance, though not about knowledge[Upadekshyante te ajnaanam].  For these blind people, the light is unimaginable because they never experienced light since they are born blind.  Similarly, people who could never imagine the unimaginable God in the past and who can never imagine God in future also, will certainly conclude God as some imaginable item in the world because they have experienced and imagined the worldly items only.

 At least, they cannot even assume that God can never be imagined and hence all the worldly imaginable items are not God.  Such ignorant people will conclude God as some experienced item in the world only.  Some imagine God as all pervading power or energy because they could imagine the power or energy.  Some imagine God as light and some imagine God as a specific energetic form existing in some upper world.  Some imagine God as self awareness, which is nothing but the nervous energy that is a specific form of work resulting on the conversion of inert energy after entering the functioning nervous system.  It is just like inert electricity entering a grinding machine is doing a specific work called grinding.  All these imaginable items like power or energy or energetic form or light or awareness are thought to be God because they were experienced items of the world by different people according to their difference in liking.  When these ignorant people come in contact with Satguru, who is God in human form, will at least understand by His preaching that God is not any one of these imaginable items [Neti Neti] even though they have not understood or imagined the real nature of God.  As the born blind people could understand at least that Sun is not dark by the preaching of a visualizing person even though they cannot experience the light, similarly, these ignorant people can understand that God is not any imaginable item by the preaching of Satguru even though they cannot experience the real nature of God [Andhenaiva…Veda]. The Satguru preached the ignorant people that no one knows God in Gita [Mamtu Vedanakaschana].  He did not give any positive answer about God by explaining the real nature of God.  He gave only a negative answer about whatever is understood about God. Similarly, the visualizing person preaches the born blind people that Sun is not black.  He will not preach that Sun is light because these born blind people can never imagine light.  Since, the real nature of God is beyond space and since our intelligence and imagination can never go beyond the three dimensional space, we can never imagine the real nature of God.  Hence, regarding the real nature of absolute God, only a negative statement of denying whatever is known is the possible preaching.  Therefore, Vedas also gave a negative answer only by negating everything that is imaginable to us [Neti Neti].  Vedas gave several statements about the reason for such answer which reveal that God is unattainable to words, mind, intelligence and logic. 


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Re: Ignorant people think that God is imaginable
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2012, 09:31:34 PM »
You talk quite a bit about ignorance in your written diatribe. You also wrote, "Such ignorant people will conclude God as some experienced item in the world only."

Read that sentence several times and please tell me if it makes any sense at all? Not only is it babble, but the majority of what you wrote appears to have been written by a 3rd grader.

I apologize for being critical but you might want to consider taking a couple of writing courses. As far as your beliefs and the theme of what you're writing about, I won't even comment on that.

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Re: Ignorant people think that God is imaginable
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2012, 06:55:43 AM »
I'm sorry to say that you have not made an altogether very convincing statement. In fact it's this kind of thing that really enforces people's belief that religion is based on lack of logic and reason.

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Re: Ignorant people think that God is imaginable
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2012, 02:40:49 AM »
I'm sorry to say that you have not made an altogether very convincing statement. In fact it's this kind of thing that really enforces people's belief that religion is based on lack of logic and reason.

Nothing in my comment suggest that I am a religious person. I subscribe to no religion nor do I wear the Atheist label ..
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Re: Ignorant people think that God is imaginable
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 05:35:29 PM »
Ignorance is the source of all troubles. The day people wake up everything will change. Will you wake up today or wait?

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Re: Ignorant people think that God is imaginable
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 04:01:59 PM »
     Fast

      What you say about God is very similar to what I know about Love. The Spirits came and opened my heart once for about 8 seconds. During that short time I looked around at the world and I came to realize that the world did not know love at all. The best that we could do is tell and show each other what Love is not. It is really hard for people to grasp non-dualistic ideas with a dualistic mind.
     The Jesus teachings were twisted for this reason. The Christians teacher was a realized being trying to teach people who were asleep. Half of what he taught was taken out or not included in the bible because people had not done enough personal work to comprehend what he knew. No one's belief system has the whole truth, everyone's perception is off in some way.
    If you yourself are to be a person who brings real change to this world of ours, if half of the people do not hate what you have to say, then what you bring the world is not real change. The kind of change that will make the world a better place. When you start to go from duality consciousness to non-duality consciousness most will not be able to see that which you see. Your posted statement made perfect sense to me.


 

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