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Is Atheism really that radical?
« on: February 20, 2012, 06:00:44 PM »


"Live a good life. if there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -Marcus Aurelius

I love this. Every line feels true, and whether you're religious or not, well, in the end, you're probably going to come out a-ok, no?

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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2012, 07:22:05 PM »
From my experience, it's the religious fundamentalists who seem to think atheism is radical. True atheists - and I've met quite a few - don't think they're anything out of the ordinary. They just choose to live their lives without believing in God or a higher power, although they often have an individual belief system. Despite what some people would have you believe, atheists do not have horns and cloven hooves - the ones I've come across have been basically good people, which is more than can be said for some so-called religious practitioners.

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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2012, 01:13:17 AM »
One of the reasons why those who follow religion (esp. Christianity) consider atheism as radical, is that they are putting atheists and agnostics into the same sack as satanists. They acually believe that atheists dress up in black robes and perform black messes, you can find topics like that on purely christian forums ocassionally. It's really silly. But it is a logical result of religion dictating what you have to think, and forcing you to stick your head in the sand, instead of doing some serious investigation. In other words the beleivers really haev no idea what atheism means.

Of course it's not radical, there is nothing radical about it. It's more "live and let live" position in most cases - so vastly different from, say, the Christian position "live, invade others to convert them with force, and consider yourself as better than pagans".

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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 08:00:40 PM »
A brilliant post, thanks for sharing. I wish everyone could have such a reasonable and relaxed view. I am not an atheist but the quote offers hope that we could all live in harmony, if not for the fundamentalists!

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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2012, 03:56:50 PM »
It is radical in a sense, but never as big of a movement as most atheists have it in their heads. I think their imaginations precede their intentions. It is radical because after centuries upon centuries, we all finally have a venue of communication to really dissect what we have been told for years is true, yes. And to be able to voice this decision out, unlike the olden days of religious persecution, is truly something new. But to think that it will somehow make lives better for everyone would probably be a false expectation, because I don't think it is merely religion that holds back our progress to unity anyway. There are still a lot of factors like political systems and structures that we all have to figure out as humans in order to truly evolve into the next level.

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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2012, 02:55:52 PM »
It is radical in a sense, but never as big of a movement as most atheists have it in their heads. I think their imaginations precede their intentions. It is radical because after centuries upon centuries, we all finally have a venue of communication to really dissect what we have been told for years is true, yes. And to be able to voice this decision out, unlike the olden days of religious persecution, is truly something new. But to think that it will somehow make lives better for everyone would probably be a false expectation, because I don't think it is merely religion that holds back our progress to unity anyway. There are still a lot of factors like political systems and structures that we all have to figure out as humans in order to truly evolve into the next level.
It isn't the atheists that hold their atheism so large - it's the theists.

And once again, we have to define our terms - what is "radical"? Cutting the foreskin off a baby? Making believe that you ingest human tissue and blood in order to conform to your beliefs? Blowing up an orphanage or shooting people at an abortion clinic because God / Allah / Mr. Ed told you to? Or simply deciding that you don't want or need to believe in a higher power?
 

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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2012, 10:08:04 PM »
I'm agnostic and I really like that saying. I've never though that atheists were radical just because they don't believe in a god. They just simply don't believe in what they cannot see, hear, taste, smell or feel. I don't see how that is radical.

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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2012, 04:47:27 PM »


"Live a good life. if there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -Marcus Aurelius

I love this. Every line feels true, and whether you're religious or not, well, in the end, you're probably going to come out a-ok, no?

basically as i stated to someone in a previous thread... to quote that the wrath of God will be upon all those who disbelieve is hypocrasy towards what these religious texts preach.

Anyhow... I could never trust a person who blatantly lies in churge every Sunday to reap a penny from his masses.

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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2012, 12:21:43 AM »
Atheism is only radical to the people who make it radical. Consider this; what does a newborn believe? Or a young child? Would it be reasonable to say that we all start out as atheists or at the very least, agnostics? So atheism is merely a reversion back to the worldview you had as a kid. I don't see much radical about that.

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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2012, 02:40:42 AM »
"Live a good life. if there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -Marcus Aurelius

I love this. Every line feels true, and whether you're religious or not, well, in the end, you're probably going to come out a-ok, no?

Well, considering this is coming from one of history's biggest mass murderers it would seem that more is needed :)

Virtues, and notions of good and bad are far too open to interpretation.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2012, 08:48:21 PM by DiminishingInsanity »
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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2012, 10:10:15 PM »
Well, considering this is coming from one of history's biggest mass murderers it would seem that more is needed :)

Virtues, and notions of good and bad are far too open to interpretation.

I have no quotes to back it up, but I agree with this and it's the logical conclusion I came to on my own years ago. It's not just his notion, many people feel this way, most of whom I'm sure have never heard this quote before. I really wouldn't want to worship a god who would condemn good people just because they live a certain lifestyle or believe different things. I'll go further and say that a god who would do that is undeserving of worship.

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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2012, 10:14:01 PM »
Well, considering this is coming from one of history's biggest mass murderers it would seem that more is needed :)

Here's all twelve books - enjoy! ;)

Marcus was one of the first real Western Taoists, without even realizing it.

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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2012, 01:12:49 AM »
No thanks.
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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2012, 12:29:14 PM »
You would rather stick with calling him a mass murderer instead of a philosopher that advanced some very important theories?

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Re: Is Atheism really that radical?
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2012, 06:16:11 PM »
One could call Charles Manson a philosopher.

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The children of the l960s that you call the “Manson Family” wanted to stop a war and turn the government and world to peace. They gave their lives when they took lives and they knew it. They gave all to clean up ATWA air, trees, water, animals, the whole of the life of Earth, in love and concern for brothers and sisters in soul. They gave to get their brothers and sisters out of cages and to touch some intelligence upon the Earth ...

http://fromspahnranch.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/charles-mansons-basic-philosophy-as-given-at-this-1986-parole-hearing/

All very philosophical wouldn't you say?
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