Author Topic: religious books have given moral guidance. Why do you think they are still bad?  (Read 9986 times)

cris2fear

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The same moral guidance that got innocent people hanged during the salem witch hunt trials, same moral guidance that inspired the Holy Crusades which killed lots of innocent women and children.

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It is not the books that are bad, but the people who misinterpret it. You have called it a moral "guidance" which is what it exactly is. The problem is, some people take it a little too far and make it the actual rule book for life and try to impose it on others. This results in a lot of contradiction and misinterpretation that I personally think the world would be better off without.

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I agree with meowcow's view that it is the people reading the book that are at fault, not the book itself. Just because it's an ambiguously-crafted tome, edited by hundreds of people over the years and interpreted in their own way by millions doesn't mean it's "bad".

But the book HAS been given ultimate power by its readers, and THAT is a dangerous thing. It's become the justification for centuries of abuse and has developed a protective shell around it such that any detractors are automatically labeled as heretics - or worse.

The problem with defining morality is that sooner or later that definition goes against someone's ideas of what is moral. The Bible seeks to make black-and-white a world which is predominantly gray. 

It's a handbook, a textbook, nothing more. And like textbooks there are many to choose from, though they might all contain essentially the same messages.   
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Whether I was an atheist or not, I couldn't accept the bible for someone's argument toward a work that was considered moral. There are some good points in, of course, but it was a book that was modified by religious leaders when it was bound. So you're not necessarily following God's work, but rather religious leaders who wished to retain power, and their actions were almost surely guided by political ambitions. Never mind the fact that inside the bible it gives a man license to sleep with more than one woman, including family members, both his and her own, and countless other atrocities that modern society frowns upon, and rightly so. Stoning a woman? Stoning ANYBODY for that matter, is inherently evil.

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It is rarely the book that is bad but more so how people tend to use the information. Like any information received what we do with it is more important.  Our actions will reveal just how we have chosen to use or not use the information.

Opinions about a book are meaningless.

I fully endorse this. A book cannot make you do something, whether it be good or bad. All a book can do is give you ideas to think about. How you process the thoughts in the book and act on them is down to you, not to the author of the book or any particular religious theory. Too many extremists hide behind religion as an excuse for the inexcusable.

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This is a huge problem with Christianity and Christians--they don't know what they Bible says! Is Exodus 21 moral when god tells Moses and the Israelites how to sell their daughters into servitude and how beating your slaves is OK even if they die after a few days? How about Leviticus 20:13 where god commands the stoning to death of active homosexuals? How about all the genocide, war, rape, and destruction god commands the Israelites to wage on other peoples including the elderly, women, children, and animals?

You're looking for morality in the Bible? I'm glad you've conveniently swept under the rug all the abominations of it.

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But all the religious books have given moral guidance to the people, like not killing the neighbors. Why do you think they are still bad?
While some moral values may be learned from religious texts, there are an even greater number of immoral values that can be taken from them. Rape, murder, slavery and hatred are all promoted and condoned throughout the bible. I need only to point to the Westboro Baptist Church and direct you to evilbible.com to prove my point.

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Sure, religious books have given a significant amount of moral guidance, but they also force you into believing a certain ideology and worship their God, which they believe is the one legitimate savior on earth. A greater purpose of religious books is to attract more followers and offering us with moral guidance is, in my opinion, merely a means to an end. Also, religious books carry heavy sentiments on sexual discrimination and other banal customs, which will hinder human progress in general. They define women as 'subordinates' to men and deprive them of their deserved access to self-enrichment such as education and work. Religion is male-centered and utterly misogynistic that even if religion books provide moral lessons, they are still flawed and exclusive in general.



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All of the Holy Books, including the Bible was written by man. If either of these books were the actual "word of God" neither would be confusing, nor would it touch on the macabre. The book would take on the peaceful loving character of God. The reason why these books, specifically the Bible, are so malevolent, muddled, and contradictory is because they were written by man and clearly shows the evil characteristics of man throughout the document.

Here's a brief list of religions and their respective Holy Books:

  • Buddhism - Tripitaka
  • Christianity - Bible - New and Old Testament
  • Confucianism - The Analects
  • Hinduism - Veda
  • Islam - Koran (Arabic, al-Qur'an)
  • Judaism - Talmud
  • Scientology - The Factors
  • Taoism - Tao-te-ching (The Way and Its Power)

Unlike other Holy Books, the Bible has acquired an enormous privileged position primarily because of the power, financial stature, and history of the Vatican and the Catholic Church.
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Welcome to the forum

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Here's a brief list of religions and their respective Holy Books:

  • Taoism - Tao-te-ching (The Way and Its Power)

Sorry but the Taodejing is not a religious book, although it has been used (read: appropriated) by religious Taoists.

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It's not necessarily the "Holy Books" that are bad, it's the fact that most are viewed as the "Word of God/Allah" and the "be all that ends all" as far as religious dialog is concerned. Truth be told, they are just books. Christians believe the bible is God's word and Muslims believe the Koran to be Allah's word.

For the past two millennia, both religions have fought for converts, and most subscribers are brainwashed to such a degree that they will vehemently defend their faiths without being very knowledgeable about the history of their denomination.

Anyone that possesses the ability to think independently; to think logically; to thoroughly research and not just go by what they have been taught since birth, or restrict their reading exclusively to their respective holy books, would clearly see the malevolence and duplicity surrounding Christianity and Islam and would be ashamed to identify with such utter nonsense.
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In my opinion, more moral guidance you can get from spiritual book without religion
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