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The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« on: August 12, 2012, 08:35:48 PM »
I just thought that his noodleyness should be represented here! How many Pastafarians are on this forum? Speak and His divine Spaghettiness shall hear you!

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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2012, 08:58:43 PM »
No one will hear you because it is a hoax religion meant to be a parody.  I am barely religious but I can definitely see some Christian radical fire bombing this place without thinking twice.  It is highly insulting.

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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2012, 10:15:04 PM »
It may be a parody religion, but the entire point of it's existence is to show that it's beliefs are no more likely or unlikely than any other religion because they all have the same evidence in their favor. As such, I will advocate for them because they are equally as valid as every other religion.

If it helps, don't think of it as a religion. Think of it instead as a philosophy. What they stand for is certainly logical and can be something to follow your life by. I do, and I think it's served me well by helping to keep me objective towards all faiths.

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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2012, 02:20:57 PM »
I love the whole idea of Pastafarianism. I see it as serving the same purpose as the Church of The Celestial Teapot, that Richard Dawkins has mentioned several times. It was Bertrand Russell that first came up with it though.

I think these 'non-religion religions', if that's an accurate way to describe them, serve an important purpose. They encourage people to not just accept any information they come across, even if they want it to be true. It teaches that critical thinking needs to be employed when it comes to all assertions, whether they be scientific, religious or a sales pitch. Critical thinking doesn't come naturally to many, actually this is a common argument that atheists use in religious discussions, i.e. that a person of faith doesn't, in the atheist's eyes, appear to question the information they have access to. Questioning the source of any piece of information, seeking evidence to back it up and scrutinizing to see if there are any motivations behind a particular assertion, etc. is something that lots of people do automatically when faced with something presented as fact. I've noticed lots of people do that around here, which is the accepted scientific manner in which to approach something. I won't go into the issue of religion and science!

I can see that the Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster, by it's very idea could be seen as mocking to people of various faiths. However I certainly believe in a higher power, and I'm not offended in the slightest. But that might be because I don't identify completely with any mainstream religious organization. Anyway I can see that, at least in my part of the world, freedom of thought and the right to practice a chosen faith is a person's absolute right. So, whether that choice is Catholicism, Rastafarianism or Pastafarinism, I certainly wouldn't interfere with anyone's right to their individual belief's.

 I wonder what a Rasta would think about it, seeing as the name seems to be inspired from that particular movement.
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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2012, 10:16:24 PM »
You're absolutely right, these churches are every bit as educational as they are comedic. Is it true that it was first started as a way to protest the teaching of creationsim in schools? I don't really know for certain because nobody seems to know where they came from. Also, I also enjoy the church of the celestial teapot. If you're looking for a serious non-religious religion, try the Universal Life Church. They accept anyone of any faith or lack thereof on the principal that we're all children of the same universe and any god or gods out there love us all equally.

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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2012, 12:44:44 AM »
I think that as long as no harm is done it is important to respect other people's beliefs. The flying spaghetti monster fails in this regard.
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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2012, 01:55:41 AM »
Pastafarianism is an argument against blind belief or blind faith in anything. Unquestioning belief has caused more destruction and death than any other problem facing humans. The crusades, the insulation, the witch trials... All useless and destructive events, all products of blind faith in a belief system. I respect people who follow religions if they don't cause problems but I do not respect the religions themselves. They're institutions of too much negativity for me to respect.

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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 02:12:09 AM »
The events that you speak of happened long ago and have nothing to do with Christianity today. Is it fair to bring up the past when it has nothing to do with what is being practiced today? If I find examples of atheists doing bad do I get to paint them all with that brush? The flying spaghetti monster paints all theists with that brush.

For the people who practice their religion or belief system their faith is not blind. They have noticed tangible changes in their lives based on their beliefs. For those who do rely on blind faith the majority do not use it as an excuse to do harm.

The problem with stereotypes of any sort is that they are fundamentally wrong and typically offend. Why even go there? Do you think it will change anybody's mind or do you just enjoy mocking people?
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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 03:21:57 AM »
Ok, you're right. The crusades, inquisition, and witch trials happened too long ago to judge the current churches by it. These days, I judge them by their rejection of logic and science and the mass discrimination and persecution of anyone who is different from them. The problem is, there is evidence in the Bible, the Quaran and other religious texts to justify their bigotry. So I do feel comfortable in condemning organized religion as a whole. There has never been a time in history where they did more good than bad and that's not likely to change.

As for the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, maybe it does make fun of religion. But humor isn't governed by rules. Nothing can be sacred in humor because you can't draw lines of what is or isn't acceptable. It's humanly impossible. So either nothing is sacred or everything is. Getting offended by jokes isn't sensible.

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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2012, 08:03:17 AM »


These days, I judge them by their rejection of logic and science and the mass discrimination and persecution of anyone who is different from them. The problem is, there is evidence in the Bible, the Quaran and other religious texts to justify their bigotry. So I do feel comfortable in condemning organized religion as a whole. There has never been a time in history where they did more good than bad and that's not likely to change.


I don't have a problem with the Church of Flying Spaghetti Monster. Whatever floats your boat. Not all religions rejection science and logic or even practice mass discrimination and persecution. In my experience, it's the extremists or the fundamentalists who hold these beliefs.

Fundamentalists can be found in all religions, atheism, agnosticism and others. Religion doesn't hold the patent on extreme views. I am also learning that some people treat science like a religion. Ironically, the ones I am running into aren't scientists or have a science background.

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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2012, 09:04:00 AM »
Ok, you're right. The crusades, inquisition, and witch trials happened too long ago to judge the current churches by it. These days, I judge them by their rejection of logic and science and the mass discrimination and persecution of anyone who is different from them. The problem is, there is evidence in the Bible, the Quaran and other religious texts to justify their bigotry. So I do feel comfortable in condemning organized religion as a whole. There has never been a time in history where they did more good than bad and that's not likely to change.

Again with the stereotypes. Not all theists are religious, and most religious folks do not reject logic and science. There is plenty of bigotry and violence done by atheists against theists. Is bigotry logical or scientific? If not than the atheists are just as guilty as those they accuse.

It's highly subjective to say that more bad than good is being done. Especially when atheist's track record is probably worse than Christians. Science does not teach morals or ethics and so is just as open to interpretation in this regard as any scripture.

The problem is people have an ego. That does not change by one's belief or non-belief in a deity. Greed and arrogance are abundant on both sides of the spectrum. The scientists who invented the atomic bomb all believed in logic and science. Look where that got us. It took logic and science to give us global warming.

As for the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, maybe it does make fun of religion. But humor isn't governed by rules. Nothing can be sacred in humor because you can't draw lines of what is or isn't acceptable. It's humanly impossible. So either nothing is sacred or everything is. Getting offended by jokes isn't sensible.

Humor takes many forms. Bigotry is one of the most common. Homosexuals are just as capable of it as anybody. If you doubt that try making a joke at their expense.
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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2012, 10:23:56 PM »
Although I'm not a confirmed Pastafarian I admire and respect their religion, just as I do any other that features immense Sky-Beings. In fact, I am currently trying to forge an alliance between Pastafarianism and Philstivus, my own religion - I feel we could be mutually supportive and beneficial for each other.

Plus, his Carbohydrate-Filled Goodness appeals to me strongly at dinnertime. 

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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2012, 01:13:27 AM »
Funny joke.
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Re: The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2012, 03:05:47 PM »
It may be a parody religion, but the entire point of it's existence is to show that it's beliefs are no more likely or unlikely than any other religion because they all have the same evidence in their favor. As such, I will advocate for them because they are equally as valid as every other religion.

If it helps, don't think of it as a religion. Think of it instead as a philosophy. What they stand for is certainly logical and can be something to follow your life by. I do, and I think it's served me well by helping to keep me objective towards all faiths.

I think of it as a group of idiots being lead by a supreme moron who think they are funny but instead just show how sad and pathetic they really are.  If you have so little going for you that you need to start a religion in order to mock others then you need to take a long hard look at yourself because a bullet to the brain may be your best choice.

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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2012, 04:40:23 PM »
Abe, you have a good reason to voice your opinion, and from my point of view (a person not involved in this discussion), you are right. I also think everyone else here who has commented is right.

We don't need any bullets though, because what we have here is almost exactly what we have all over the world. That is the point. The issue is not the topic, but how we deal with the topic.

Religion can serve as the focal point for entire families and does as good or better job than any form of truth. The issues surface when we have to face who we are honestly. No matter what religion or system you believe in, you still have to face who you really are.

So, the bottom line is we have to forgive ourselves...because the odds of any of us being right as we live our lives is maybe 5% at best. Eventually we will change who we are as we understand...or we are just part of the problem.

This may be an excellent example of what life teaches...can you find your true identity and face it, then change it. Because we all have to change. That is where religion is flawed...it does not want the change. Even if the religion stays the same, as it does, we have to change.

People who invest their entire self-worth into their delusion is illustrating why people certainly have the right to parody anything...especially religions that have proven over centuries that they are not enough for us.

But, I certainly understand the emotion of being fear-based. And if someone cannot stand up to scrutiny that is what they are.

I dare anyone to expose their true identity to the world. That is much easier than exposing it to yourself. The world doesn't care.

A serial killer may just be selecting his last option so he does not have to face who he really is. Hey...you brought up the bullets.

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