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TO ALL ATHIESTS.
« on: June 23, 2012, 02:30:46 PM »
Can you reject that which you know to be unknown?
Do not look for Natures merriment, for it will show all asperation that she harbors.
Let not her pretense lead you to demise
is it not for her nexus to die?
A meaning abandoned without reason,
Threw trickery of our hearts.

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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2012, 09:11:42 PM »
One misconception humans have is that the answers are not proven and easily accessible. That is quite the opposite of truth. Science is what this dimension offers us. Mathematics enable us to form equations that make sense out of what we see before us.

To believe or not believe in God is not the issue. It is the result of the formualtion of an equation. If you can add and subtract, you have the ability to have answers. There is but one thing that stops us. It is that exact same science that we have before us.

We have two kinds of science...the kind we can see and that which we cannot. Do you believe in positive/negative charge as in electricity? Do you believe that particles can vibrate? Those are the real issues.

Science plus spirituality equals truth. Do you want truth to the foundation of your beliefs or do you prefer emotion or lies that offer comfort and a simple life? Or...can you handle the truth. Because...truth changes what we believe in. It changes what we think of ourselves. Truth will provide us with a gift...despair. Because, we do not live a life that embraces truth. We embrace ego, which is a reflection of truth. And we all know, a reflection is the exact opposite of truth.

There is a simple answer to all of your questions. And this simplicity will shake you at your core.

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Re: TO ALL ATHIESTS.
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2012, 06:07:55 AM »
I suspect most atheists are really agnostics.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2012, 09:57:00 PM by DiminishingInsanity »
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2012, 10:45:31 AM »
I suspect most atheists are really agnostics.
I disagree, because the atheists I know are able to explain the reasons for their non-belief. As the previous poster has said, they use scientific knowledge to do this, and I respect their choices, although I don't agree with them. To say that most atheists are agnostics is rather insulting. They may start as agnostics, but they find evidence to prove a case one way or the other.

Maybe I am fortunate in my friends, but the atheists I know provide a much more convincing argument for their viewpoint than most Christians.

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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2012, 11:15:48 AM »
SP, what "scientific knowledge" do they mention? Science is often proven wrong about that which it has identified. I'm curious how they can build a case around something science has not identified. Do they believe that science has already discovered everything there is to discover?
« Last Edit: July 21, 2012, 09:56:48 PM by DiminishingInsanity »
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2012, 12:02:22 PM »
I invite all of you, along with any atheist, or Christian, to read my freeEbook Deal Or No Deal; The True Meaning Of Life...just google it...you can add my name in the google if you wish. I keep all of my books very short so they can be read in one sitting.

I offer it so that one person may want to continue to provide truth to the masses, who are consumed by their ego.

Life in this dimension is about positive/negative charge and vibration of particles. It is science, and cannot be seen by the eyes. It is very simple and easily understood. I also describe exactly what happens after we die. And all of it is backed up by what history has given us as proof.

This is what an agnostic or atheist has asked for all along. Especially here in America, we are waking each day so that we can illustrate what the ego is in simple terms. Christians have their entire self-worth wrapped up into the literal version of the Bible, and condemn all those who might mention to that christian that their ego gauntlet is full and runneth over.

Seek truth my friends.

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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2012, 05:39:00 PM »
The problem with your question is that most theists give knowable qualities to god, i.e. he created the universe, he is the god of the bible. Those assertions I can reject because there is no good evidence to accept them. If something is truly unknowable at the present time, the best course of action is to suspend judgement.

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2012, 10:10:21 PM »
Yes, it is about truth, as determined through proof. That is what got me started in the first place. Edgar Cayce proved exactly what life is about, but it was from around 1900 to 1940. Anyone who has not studied his life has not found truth. So heck yeah, atheists can stay in a cloud of darkness and still live within the delusion of the ego like everyone else, and say they are in a position based on truth, or lack therefo, or they can "walk the walk" and deal with truth.

It is like electricty. Do you believe in electricity? If you grab a hold on a wire and stick it in an outlet, I bet you will.

Edgar Cayce proved without a doubt that we reincarnate, and showed what happens after we die. He showed how we have ego, which makes us think we are the center of life. It makes us think the things we do are "right". And all along life is a simple and consistent theme among all of us...we are dumb 20 year olds and become wise by the time we are 50, if we reject ego.

99% of people will make excuses why they should not do this or that, and are wrong...period. The ego provides us with assumptions and excuses, and we are addicted to it. It is simple...you seek truth or you do not, and when I come here and offer you truth, and you are too lazy or addicted to ego to care, what do you call that?

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Re: TO ALL ATHIESTS.
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 05:12:04 AM »
Can you reject that which you know to be unknown?
Yes I can actually. I can reject something based simply on the fact that there is no evidence supporting the claim that it exists. This is what is called the null hypothesis. For those who are unfamiliar with the null hypothesis, it is an important part of the scientific method which states that when investigating the existence of a phenomenon or a relationship between variables the default position is nonexistence. Only evidence can eliminate the null hypothesis. It also states that the burden of proof lies upon the person(s) making the claim to prove its existence. Religious people make the claim that a god or gods exist. No actual evidence has ever been given to support this claim. Therefore, the null hypothesis.

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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2012, 05:37:33 AM »
Can you accept that which you know to be unknown?

I agree with Rasputin's null hypothesis claim, at least as far as scientific proof is concerned. When you add faith or belief into the equation then of course it changes everything but still does not offer empirical proof.

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2012, 06:23:43 AM »
Sounds like the null hypothesis is the reason why scientists are so frequently wrong about stuff. In the absence of evidence the safest course of action is to suspend judgment on the basis that new evidence may one day arise.
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2012, 12:06:07 PM »
As a human being, on planet Earth, with ego attached, we have influences placed upon our judgment process. The null hypothesis is the end result of a commitment. In being an atheist, I am still burdened with the delusional mechanism we are all given.

The commitment is even more necessary when going against popular belief. We actually have to disprove in order to get to the null. That is due to the respect we have to give to our ancestors. Unless we have a darn good reason, we need to give a slight amount of credibility to our predecessors.

Atheists have an emotional response to the realization that religion is also egoic and delusional. They place the blame on religion, while all along it is on the ego. We all have ego, and that is where we need to focus our attention.

Do atheists deny that the ego exists?

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Re: TO ALL ATHIESTS.
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2012, 03:00:41 AM »
Sounds like the null hypothesis is the reason why scientists are so frequently wrong about stuff. In the absence of evidence the safest course of action is to suspend judgment on the basis that new evidence may one day arise.
You clearly misunderstand what the null hypothesis is. Use of the null hypothesis does not imply that a claim is false, it merely states that after much research there is no evidence yet to support it. The null hypothesis can never be proven, it can only be rejected by evidence.  Before beginning research the null hypothesis is invoked. Even the most minor bit of evidence can rule out the null hypothesis and bring a claim into the realm of possibility.

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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2012, 12:32:25 AM »
The problem we have as human beings is that everyone wants to be right. Every debate regarding religion, or whether or not God exist, most pundits believe their thought process to be the correct one. We are all voicing our opinions, that's what we do on these type of Forums, that's what we're supposed to do.

I'm very fond of the subject of spirituality, God, and reincarnation. I find each of the aforementioned topics to be very interesting and well worth the research. None of us truly know what will happen when our bodies no longer function and our ticker stops. All we have to go on are our beliefs, our conditioning, and our research, and even then, we still don't have a clue.

I will however, lean more toward the thoughts and beliefs of one of the greatest thinkers of our time, Plato, instead of following the lead of a "prosperity preacher," sharing his version of "God's Word" (actually Man's word - my opinion). Google "Plato's Cave Dwellers," you'll find the story quite interesting.

I'm also of the belief that we've all lived before and will live again. The majority of people who have had Near Death Experiences, their stories are very similar. One thing most mention is the fact that, they were still the same consciousness as they hoovered over their lifeless bodies. Initially, most didn't recognize the body as being theirs until they looked a little closer. They were not startled at this rather bizarre recognition because many stated they felt absolutely no attachment to their earthly bodies. They viewed their bodies as one would view a discarded glove.

Eleanor Roosevelt's response when she was asked if she believes in reincarnation, "I don't think it would be any more bizarre for me to show up in another lifetime than it was for me to show up in this one." My sentiments exactly.
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