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What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe
« on: March 09, 2011, 07:00:50 AM »
What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe
O Learned and Devoted Servants of God,

 The infinite cosmos [universe] itself is a proof of the existence of unimaginable God. ‘Infinite’ means that the boundary of the universe is everlasting. What is the secret of this everlasting boundary? Suppose, let us say that the ocean is infinite. It means that you may travel and travel for any extent of time, you will not reach the bank of the ocean. The bank of the ocean means the land, which is different from the ocean or its water. The land, which is beyond the water, is never achieved if the ocean is infinite. If the boundary of the ocean is achieved, it means the land, which is separate from water is seen. Similarly, if the boundary of the universe is achieved, it means that the unimaginable God, who is separate from the imaginable universe is achieved. But, the boundary of the universe is never achieved. This means that something, which is beyond the cosmos or the universe, can never be achieved. What can be beyond the universe? Only the cause or generator of the universe can be beyond the universe.

From a huge lump of mud, you have created a small pot using some of the mud. Now, beyond the pot, the rest lot of mud, which is the cause of the pot, exists. If you are unable to cross the boundary of the pot, the cause of the pot, which is lump of mud, is never achieved. You can take this example to certain extent only. In this example, some part of the cause is modified into the pot and the rest of the part of the cause remains. But, in the concept [creation from God], no part of the cause is modified.
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Re: What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2011, 07:34:30 PM »
It is an old refrain, and one that has never been answered to my satisfaction.  What caused the Generator?  If your answer is that The Generator always was then why won't you accept that the Universe always was?  If not than the Prime Mover must have a mover who must have a mover who must have a mover...

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Re: What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2011, 11:22:22 PM »
If it's infinite, how can it have a boundary?

Is there a contradiction here, or is it that I don't understand the meaning of "infinite"?

If infinite means without limits, endless, that means that it has no boundary. Therefore nothing can lie beyond it because there is no beyond. Now, I'm not saying that the universe is infinite, mind you. Nor am I saying that it isn't infinite. I'm not saying anything because I don't know. I'm only answering to your question.

And your question takes as a postulate that the universe is infinite. You don't ask "if the universe is infinite..." You simply state "the infinite universe." Taking that as your postulate, you then ask what lies beyond the boundary. Again, you don't ask "can it have a boundary?" And you don't ask "can anything lie beyond...?" You ask simply "what" lies beyond?

Thus you have taken for granted these premises:

The universe is infinite.
The universe has a boundary.
There is something beyond the boundary.

Your question now is, "What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe?"

I ask whether there isn't a contradiction here.

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Re: What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2011, 05:13:45 PM »
Perhaps it is infinite and just expands forever into nowhere. I don't know if we'll ever find out in this lifetime. It seems like there's enough going on with trying to discover new planets.

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Re: What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2011, 06:42:48 PM »
I am not sure boundary and infinite go together. If the universe is infinite there really is not boundary, is there? From my understanding, the universe is constantly growing, so there must be some boundary for it to grow, don't you think?

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Re: What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2011, 09:30:06 AM »
It is an old refrain, and one that has never been answered to my satisfaction.  What caused the Generator?  If your answer is that The Generator always was then why won't you accept that the Universe always was?  If not than the Prime Mover must have a mover who must have a mover who must have a mover...

Can the created know more than the Creator? No, it can't. It all begins with the Prime Mover where the other movers follow.

Revelation 1:8
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

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Re: What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2011, 09:36:52 AM »
If it's infinite, how can it have a boundary?

Is there a contradiction here, or is it that I don't understand the meaning of "infinite"?

If infinite means without limits, endless, that means that it has no boundary. Therefore nothing can lie beyond it because there is no beyond. Now, I'm not saying that the universe is infinite, mind you. Nor am I saying that it isn't infinite. I'm not saying anything because I don't know. I'm only answering to your question.

And your question takes as a postulate that the universe is infinite. You don't ask "if the universe is infinite..." You simply state "the infinite universe." Taking that as your postulate, you then ask what lies beyond the boundary. Again, you don't ask "can it have a boundary?" And you don't ask "can anything lie beyond...?" You ask simply "what" lies beyond?

Thus you have taken for granted these premises:

The universe is infinite.
The universe has a boundary.
There is something beyond the boundary.

Your question now is, "What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe?"

I ask whether there isn't a contradiction here.

I somehow get your point. The question is "What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe?" Then it was somewhat concluded that, "Only the cause or generator of the universe can be beyond the universe." The boundary should be omitted in the question as the infinite universe has no boundary except the Generator itself as it is what lies beyond the infinite universe.

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Re: What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2011, 10:53:21 PM »
Outside of the infinite universe lies the infinite universe. It's a self containing thing that creates itself anew in each moment, so nothing exists outside of it except for itself. Paradoxes like this help us reach a point of stillness inside the soul through regular contemplation.

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Re: What lies beyond the boundary of the infinite universe
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2011, 05:46:41 AM »
Outside of the infinite universe lies the infinite universe. It's a self containing thing that creates itself anew in each moment, so nothing exists outside of it except for itself. Paradoxes like this help us reach a point of stillness inside the soul through regular contemplation.

You bring a new light down here. Being infinite there is really no boundary. But this is on physical aspect of the universe. The universe is boundless but what of God? Where do you place Him? I know that God is everywhere but where are you seeing God being the creator of the vast universe?


 

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