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DiminishingInsanity

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« on: August 01, 2012, 08:40:56 AM »
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There is a wonderful little story about two monks who lived together in a monastery for many years; they were great friends. Then they died within a few months of one another. One of them got reborn in the heaven realms, the other monk got reborn as a worm in a dung pile. The one up in the heaven realms was having a wonderful time, enjoying all the heavenly pleasures. But he started thinking about his friend, "I wonder where my old mate has gone?" So he scanned all of the heaven realms, but could not find a trace of his friend. Then he scanned the realm of human beings, but he could not see any trace of his friend there, so he looked in the realm of animals and then of insects. Finally he found him, reborn as a worm in a dung pile... Wow! He thought: "I am going to help my friend. I am going to go down there to that dung pile and take him up to the heavenly realm so he too can enjoy the heavenly pleasures and bliss of living in these wonderful realms." So he went down to the dung pile and called his mate. And the little worm wriggled out and said: "Who are you?", "I am your friend. We used to be monks together in a past life, and I have come up to take you to the heaven realms where life is wonderful and blissful." But the worm said: "Go away, get lost!" "But I am your friend, and I live in the heaven realms," and he described the heaven realms to him. But the worm said: "No thank you, I am quite happy here in my dung pile. Please go away." Then the heavenly being thought: "Well if I could only just grab hold of him and take him up to the heaven realms, he could see for himself." So he grabbed hold of the worm and started tugging at him; and the harder he tugged, the harder that worm clung to his pile of dung.

Do you get the moral of the story? How many of us are attached to our pile of dung?

According to Buddhism we reincarnate on earth out of desire. Could ending our life cycles be as simple as not wanting the things the earth has to offer? The things that we hold valuable here on earth can last for only a very short period of time. Why not desire that which is eternal?
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2012, 12:36:37 PM »
That is so true! I think the reason many of us want to believe in reincarnation isn't so much because we hope to attain a state of universal oneness or join the energy of the universe as part of a higher power. We want to come back to this dunghill called Earth. And we want to be human. And hopefully, next time around, rich, beautiful, famous, successful, etc.
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 05:22:50 AM »
Nakhash, such is the case with so many of us. I for one will welcome death when it comes and hope to never return. I'm convinced from my research into near death experiences (NDEs) that the ones who pass on are the lucky ones while the ones who stay here are usually the dead ones. As Jesus said "Let the dead bury their dead."
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2012, 12:06:37 PM »
Who's to say though that that dung pile isn't actually a sort of Super-Heaven? In that case, think of the hubris of the Regular Heaven dweller in trying to drag the happy dung-denizen into what surely must appear to be Hell!

How many of us are attached to our Heaven, whether consisting of Clouds or Crapola?

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2012, 12:28:34 AM »
SifuPhil, reminds me of the old saying "Ignorance is bliss." Personally, I believe that we do not experience Heaven because it would scare us too badly. If all we know is earth and the physical then how could we accept something like Heaven? The process of tearing down our defenses to the truth is indeed a gradual one. We each learn as fast as we choose to.
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2012, 02:58:00 AM »
Who's to say though that that dung pile isn't actually a sort of Super-Heaven? In that case, think of the hubris of the Regular Heaven dweller in trying to drag the happy dung-denizen into what surely must appear to be Hell!

How many of us are attached to our Heaven, whether consisting of Clouds or Crapola?

This is very profound. Many people are attached to their view of what heaven looks like or should be. Personally, I don't want to go to a heaven (if I believed in heaven) where I'm just sitting or laying around doing nothing. I would be bored out of my mind. I would go nuts.  That is not heaven for me.

Still, I do like the story. The message is powerful Some people are holding onto their dung. Dung being victimhood, drama, chaos, etc.  They don't know how to let go because it's all that they know. Their identity is wrapped or tied to the dung.

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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2012, 08:14:03 PM »
I think this story can be interpreted in a variety of ways. For example, the worm said he was happy in his dung pile. If that's true, then why would the other try to remove him from what makes him happy? Some can choose to interpret this story as an example of how blinded people are when attached to material things but can't it also be a cautionary tale warning against trying to force others to accept something because what makes you happy may not necessarily make them happy? Or vice versa?

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2012, 01:41:15 AM »
This is very profound. Many people are attached to their view of what heaven looks like or should be. Personally, I don't want to go to a heaven (if I believed in heaven) where I'm just sitting or laying around doing nothing. I would be bored out of my mind. I would go nuts.  That is not heaven for me.

Boredom cannot exist outside of linear time. If Heaven lies outside the boundaries of linear time then you would never be bored there.

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2012, 02:59:22 PM »
I would like to remind you guys that you are speculating. We certainly have much information as to what might be, and we certainly have enough understanding to know ABOUT what to expect, and we want to know more...but remember, we don't even know exactly what we are doing here on Earth, and if we did...

We would inevitably be doing much more with our lives. We currently live, as a species, in a world of 1% truth. We are surrounded by liars and deceit, and pathetic selfishness.

Why not help to do something about that? Trying to seek selfishness and materialism is all I see, with the exception of a few. Truth is in plain sight, yet we cannot see.

People are selfish, and that pretty much sums it all up. Can we not work on that?

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2012, 07:43:43 PM »
Wade, it's a bit presumptuous to say that what other people believe is fantasy and what you believe is truth. The thoughts and feelings you've expressed in your posts do not reflect an inward condition that I would consider to be the truth.

You claim to be living the truth, but say things like "I'm tired. I'm a fool. People are awful. The world is awful. Our reality is pathetic." For most on the spiritual path these sentiments do not reflect what it means to know and live the truth.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2012, 08:02:19 PM »
I want to say something. I am not proud of humanity. I am not proud of a society where we have to lie or keep our mouth shut, and look the other way.

I am not proud of warring and warring and warring. I am not proud of truth being directly in front of us, and yet we keep blinders on so we may embrace selfishness. I am not proud of ego worship saturating an entire species.

I am not proud of a society where the messenger is attacked. Anyone who defends justice will have a fight on their hands...that is, if they are honest about it. Standing up for truth means we will draw attention from the powerful...if we are good at it.

The bottom line is we have to look away from reality and make our own. We make a delusion and embrace it.

How in the world is this satisfactory? We have great potential in our love and spirit, but that comes after the real work is done. We routinely bypass the basic reality so we can enjoy the delusion.

Why not deal directly with truth? Just watch me. My actions in the last two years display exactly what we are all about. If people are not looking for a tough debate, they run away. I get attacked or ignored. People try to blame me, the messenger, while all I do is make sense.

But people don't want to focus on negatives. They want to jump to the fantasy. That, to me, is not good enough...so I do the tough job.

Hate me. I absorb it. And when the time comes, it will be placed upon the table for inspection, because...

Everything we do is recorded in the akashic record, on particles, and will be examined. If humanity had a sign in front of them at all times saying:

Everything you do is being recorded.

Maybe they would care about truth. But as it is, all we care about is ourselves, and once that is ok, we go on. Sure, we can do some good things...as long as we get what we want first.

If you cannot admit to hating me, you are just keeping your mouth shut. You hate me because I tell the truth.

I already have shown that Edgar Cayce is proof. You guys all just bypass that because you do not value proof.

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2012, 09:26:22 PM »
Wade, you are killing my thread.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2012, 10:08:21 PM »
And how many threads are meaningful and amount to something?

How many are worth looking at when we are old and evaluating our life?

And how many are just playtime?

One moment that leads to a reader questioning him/herself and then making a commitment toward understanding a difficult matter is worth 40 threads that just kill time or perpetuate old ways.

make a thread that provokes this response:

I wasn't expecting much but was surprized and inspired! It's not complicated at all! I am going to read it again. That's how much I liked it. Thank you Wade Welch!

It may be that few people are in a place in their lives where they care about truth, but at some point, I think a high % will care. These threads only have a potential to get a reader to consider a new thought. Why not try writing a book? One that requires you to research. One that actually has a bottom line.

In the meantime, expect one of of how many? 100? To be killed.

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2012, 06:46:28 AM »
if science is a projection of conciousness as has been said above. then is not the world itself a projection of concsiousness. if so and you are living in a dung pile then that dung pile is their of your own making.

is this thread and the repsonse to each other within it a projection of each of your own consciousnes too.

i have a quote on my skype avatar that i use for work it says. "your world is a living expression of how you are using and have used your mind" while i only found this quote recently this principle has guided me in my actions for a long time now.

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2012, 06:52:26 AM »
Turion, I agree with that.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2012, 09:16:18 AM by DiminishingInsanity »
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