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Re: The need for suffering?
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2012, 12:49:56 AM »
I am not big on studying the history of Buddhism. I probably should do so, but I am only interested in the Buddha who was so huge he could not move around well. He did not enter society and experience life until he had suffered more than anyone...for 18 years. So, he had no I define ego. And, I do define ego in my books extensively. I establish the cause and result of ego.

Supposedly the original Buddha was a prince who was in good physical shape and wanted for nothing. He gave up his kingdom after seeing the suffering of the people and eventually found enlightenment. I say supposedly because we are talking about around 2,500 years back at least. Buddhism differs from area to area. Tibetan Buddhism has a unique flavor, and so does Japanese Buddhism, Chinese Buddhism, Thai Buddhism, Sri Lankan Buddhism, and so on.

Buddha probably made the transition to Fat Buddha or "Laughing Buddha" when Buddhism moved from India into Asia, and especially China where Buddhism attracted the most followers. Chinese tradition perceived fat people as signifying wealth, happiness, and good fortune, so they transformed the Buddha into a Fat Buddha to match their own traditions.

Today the Fat Buddha is an image fairly exclusive to Chinese Buddhism. It has come to represent good luck and wealth, which is why it is so popular among Chinese merchants. Example: Usually the first thing you see upon entering a Chinese restaurant is Fat Buddha. If the Chinese Buddha is the one that appeals to you then that's your decision, but I'd like to know how Chinese Buddhism applies to what you have written.

But, I must ask your forgiveness. I have no intention of defending my books, They are the property of the reader. You are entitled to do as you please, even if there was little commitment involved. I should be able to handle any reply. I always retain hope that a reader will understand, and I do have an ego. The difference is that I live my life backing up my words.

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Re: The need for suffering?
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2012, 01:38:52 AM »

Actually, I have no need to respond to these points as my books do it quite well. I am very happy that you offer me insight about Buddhism. Thanks!!!

I am going to stop any debate on my books. They are written to where the reader will know what I am saying. You can disagree and I am 100% happy with that...and if you choose to not read them...fine.

But, it hurts me when you display ego, and do the exact things I write about. I have been thinking lately that age is a primary portion of how well humanity can deal with truth. I have tremendous respect for your wisdom, and I think in ten or twenty years you will have a different viewpoint. Especially after you sit down and read...developing a relationship with my a writer does when he writes them.

I will attach my story about Buddha, and why he was fat, and why he had no ego. I fail to see how any other person...any other Buddha...could enter this world without ego. I think the fat Buddha was the only person in all of history. Maybe a few more that suffered as much before the ego took hold.

I appreciate your forgiveness and tolerance. I try to see you in 20 years and I like what I see.

In a land near India, long ago, a king ruled. It is common that rulers indulge themselves, as few people achieve enlightenment as a ruler. This king had sex with palace slaves, as was the norm. It would not be hard to visualize a situation where a ruler had access to the most beautiful young women. But it would be rare for a religion to allow this truth to be its foundation.

The king fell in love with one such slave, and she became pregnant. It was not the first time such a thing happened, and the king always inflicted a death penalty upon the newborn. But this time he was truly in love. The slave demanded that the king not kill her child, and told him that if he did, she would kill herself. So the king made a promise.

It would be hard to believe that a king would submit to the wishes of a slave girl. The best a slave might achieve would be some form of compromise. The king kept his promise, but on his terms.

The newborn was taken away from the mother, and put into a room. For 18 years, the child was kept in a chair...constantly served by a group of servants. He stayed that way the entire time...never doing anything for himself. All he knew were the few servants and the four walls of the room...which had a doorway.

On the 18th birthday of the child, it weighed between 400 and 500 pounds. It could not walk. It was wheeled out the front door of the palace, and left on the a wagon. As it sat in the wagon, it saw...for the first time...the sky...townspeople...movement of the air...trees...houses...and shops. This child would become the spiritual leader of the world.

Not the religious leader, as Buddhism is not religion. The spiritual leader, as spirituality is truth. He was not affected by the ego, as all souls are...simply because he was never allowed to witness society. He immediately saw hypocrisy, deceit, disillusionment, suffering, and truth. His simple deductions were truth based, and he was very intelligent, and had no choice but to be observant.

To follow Buddha is to search for truth. It is not convenient. It is not accepted by society. It is not simple. It is a constant commitment...a search...for meaning. It is a true commitment, and cannot be adjusted to taste. Truth will not make you fashionable. It will take you to a place that is the future, and the past...but not the present.

Buddha is truth. It is science. It is destiny. We cannot pretend to be something we are not. We only fool ourselves. 

The problem with religion is the presentation. It is far too complicated. It only takes one page to display all that religion offers. The Buddha gave us the simple truth we needed. In my words:

 1) truth is seldom convenient
 2) assumption is commonly delusion
 3) convenience is seldom a form of giving
 4) incarnation of the soul into the material plane comes with ego attached
 5) delusion defines ego...truth destroys delusion
 6) truth is discovered, not created
 7) identifying the ego is the purpose of spirituality
 8) spirituality is seldom achieved without suffering
 9) awareness is achieved through commitment
10) medication/delusion/assumption is protection from commitment

Atisha, a great 11th Century Tibetan Buddhist Master, said:

The greatest achievement is selflessness.
The greatest worth is self-mastery.
The greatest quality is seeking to serve others.
The greatest precept is continual awareness.
The greatest medicine is the emptiness of everything.
The greatest action is not conforming with the worlds ways.
The greatest magic is transmuting the passions.
The greatest generosity is non-attachment.
The greatest goodness is a peaceful mind.
The greatest patience is humility.
The greatest effort is not concerned with results.
The greatest meditation is a mind that lets go.
The greatest wisdom is seeing through appearances.

A quick perspective of life can be seen in the game of Chess. It describes very well the dynamics of the ego, and how it relates to life.

The pawn represents a commoner, and is limited and predictable, but can do much. The rook represents a chariot...a tool. It can do more than a commoner, but is straightforward and predictable. The knight is a soldier...very skilled and dangerous. The bishop is a powerful controller...doing great damage, but always twisted and at an angle. The queen is most powerful and can do anything, but is not skilled like a knight. The king does little or nothing.

It is the pawn who survives, is freely charitable, lives with realistic goals, and builds the foundation that supports the kingdom. It is the pawn who goes to Heaven...not the powerful. Only when a pawn assumes the role of the powerful, can such a person go to Heaven...and only a pawn who remains a pawn throughout life, survives the ego. Surviving the ego is the purpose of life.

A pawn who remains a pawn, takes care of family and friends, lives each day as a pawn, and remembers who they a chosen one. Giving is a product of living as a chosen one, and those around that person enjoy the benefits...learning to share. Learning is handed down from generation to generation, and life stays simple. Progress is slow and gradual. This kind of life builds a foundation for the future...providing inspiration and guidance.

When a pawn does not have the support of family and friends, it is abandoned. Our lives are dominated by the masses...who are the product of abandonment. The ego is a part of life, and once abandonment occurs, it takes hold. Ambition is only one of many corruptions of the soul. Unless a pawn who assumes the role of the other chess pieces...remains a pawn, that person becomes that piece...and is consumed by the ego. True leaders remain pawns.

Today, life is dominated by the ego. Pawns are rarely, if ever, born into the world of our ancestors. That world is gone. Our only chance is to discover the way of suffering. We cannot change the world. We can only hope to share truth with another.

    Well I know...I could be just another stranger,
    but to you...I guess I'm just another fool.
    And you like to live your life in danger,
    then you hide behind a wall of silly rules.

    Nobody thinks the way I do,
    I guess that nobody cares.
    Your head's so full of things,
    so set your mind free of them.
    I'm breaking the rules.

    Did you know...that in the truth there's nothing stranger.
    I think I think I know it all.

    Nobody hears the things I say,
    I guess that nobody cares.
    My head's so full of things that
    I set my mind free,
    and then I'm breaking the rules.

    Well I know...that you would love to go to Heaven,
    but you know that you're just too afraid to die.
    And I know...that you would love to know the answers,
    but to you...the truth is just another lie.

    Nobody hears the things I say,
    I guess that nobody cares.

    Empty's full of fools.   

           >Ozzy Osbourne

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Re: The need for suffering?
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2012, 07:58:14 AM »
Suffering becomes beautiful when anyone bears great calamities with cheerfulness, not through insensibility but through greatness of mind.

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Re: The need for suffering?
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2012, 03:11:38 PM »
I think we have to remember where and when Buddhism first appeared, Perhaps it was a dangling carrot to the majority of the population that was always hungry and ill ... "It's OK to suffer - it's part of the human condition" is what it says to them.

Suffering is a central theme in many religions, and that's the only reason I can think of for its inclusion.

Enless you understand what bliss is, you not see suffer.


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Re: The need for suffering?
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2012, 05:03:55 PM »
Enless you understand what bliss is, you not see suffer.
I'm not so sure of that - "you can know the world without leaving your front door" as the Taoists say. If you only know the middle path, then any deviation - toward suffering or toward happiness - can be acknowledged.

If there were no middle ground then I would agree with what you've said, but life is far more than two diametrically-opposed extremes of black and white: there are millions of shades in-between.


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Re: The need for suffering?
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2012, 09:47:26 PM »
I briefly studied Buddhism in school and found many Buddhist principles that i was drawn to. The one point I didn't fully comprehend is the need to suffer. Would you say that you have to have some form of suffering even if it were only a result of deprivation of something good? If so, can you explain why. I mean would it really be impossible to live a Buddhist life without suffering?

Hi, since you studied Buddhism only briefly in school, you probably didn't have a really great enlightened teacher/guru who taught you. The point in Buddhism is not to focus on the suffering, but on the bliss that awaits you at the core of your innermost being. Pain and pleasure exist on the surface area of your mind. The blissful mind is at the core of your being. That core is the goal of Buddhism, as it is the goal of other spiritual teachings.
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