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God will not do miracles for show or crowd pulling
« on: June 29, 2010, 04:13:04 AM »
God will not do miracles for show or crowd pulling

Miracle means the violation of the regular administration of God to be done by God Himself! Unless there is an extraordinary emergency in the case of a deserving devotee or a specific need in the divine mission of God, miracle does not appear. The devotee deserves a miracle when he or she does not aspire for it even in dream and is really involved in the divine mission of the Lord. This is the context of the miracle from the side of the devotee. The miracle can also take place from the side of God whenever a need arises in the divine work. If God feels that an atheist can be converted through a miracle, it takes place.

If God feels that a miracle can improve the faith or devotion of a devotee, then also a miracle can happen. These two cases are from the side of God and not from the side of devotee. This means that if the devotee says that he will be converted or he will develop the faith and devotion by a miracle, God will not do the miracle unless in His view there is a real hope for it. Even without the request from devotee or atheist, God will exhibit the miracle if God has hope. In any case the devotee should not aspire for the miracle even in the mind.

 The miracle will happen spontaneously if God is convinced. There is no need of any initiation or interaction from the side of the soul. Even a deserving devotee sometimes reduces the speed of the miracle by aspiring for it. The whole problem lies with miracles is that the attention of the soul to God is completely diverted to His power only.

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Re: God will not do miracles for show or crowd pulling
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 01:42:45 PM »
That's pretty convenient really don't you think? Surely if a god thought everyone should follow his way then he would make some grand gesture to convert everyone and stop all the war and bloodshed?

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Re: God will not do miracles for show or crowd pulling
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 03:33:42 PM »
That's pretty convenient really don't you think? Surely if a god thought everyone should follow his way then he would make some grand gesture to convert everyone and stop all the war and bloodshed?

Why? God gave us free will. We've been given plenty of nudges in the Christian timeline, but we are free to make up our own minds about believing or not. The world is different now--we don't need the blatant messages of miracles that our ancestors did. When your gods and goddesses make their miracles and our God does not, then maybe you can point fingers. Until then, maybe you should stop trolling and attempt to enter actual discussions.

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Re: God will not do miracles for show or crowd pulling
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2012, 01:21:47 PM »
Trolling??? I think I actually make a legitimate point! Why would any god allow so much war and murder in the name of religion purely for the sake of  free will???? The New Testament likes to portray god as a loving and benevolent being, if he is so why not just reveal himself and put a stop to all the bloodshed?

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Re: God will not do miracles for show or crowd pulling
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2012, 04:50:05 PM »
Trolling??? I think I actually make a legitimate point! Why would any god allow so much war and murder in the name of religion purely for the sake of  free will???? The New Testament likes to portray god as a loving and benevolent being, if he is so why not just reveal himself and put a stop to all the bloodshed?

So you'd rather just exist and allow God to pull all of the strings? Free will is a good thing. Unfortunately, people are not always good in their treatment of each other. And yes, you're trolling. The majority of your posts are written in an inflammatory way. If you don't care for Christianity and want nothing to do with it--your words--then there is no reason for you to be on this forum.

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Re: God will not do miracles for show or crowd pulling
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2012, 02:18:33 PM »
This forum isn't just about Christianity so I have every right to be here and express my opinion. And no i don't want to let "god" pull all the strings, I don't believe in the Christian god so as far as I'm concerned I have complete free will anyway.

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Re: God will not do miracles for show or crowd pulling
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2012, 03:38:18 PM »
The title of this forum is "Christianity," so yes, it is about Christianity. You are trolling by your behavior here. If you don't believe in the Christian God, unless you have questions about other people's beliefs--what are you doing here?

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Re: God will not do miracles for show or crowd pulling
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 07:58:06 PM »
The title of this forum is "Christianity," so yes, it is about Christianity. You are trolling by your behavior here. If you don't believe in the Christian God, unless you have questions about other people's beliefs--what are you doing here?

Last time I checked this is called Spiritual Forum and not Christianity, that is just a section of the forum - more Christian arrogance there???

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 08:02:52 PM »
And I see you have also been posting in non-Christian sections of the site, not asking questions. Hypocritical much? :)

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Re: God will not do miracles for show or crowd pulling
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2012, 08:29:21 PM »
Last time I checked this is called Spiritual Forum and not Christianity, that is just a section of the forum - more Christian arrogance there???

Most of the Christians I know are not arrogant - far from it. I do feel that you are being arrogant here, though, by ridiculing the beliefs of others. I agree with the other posters here - miracles are not part of intelligent belief. We are granted free will, and we have to choose how we employ it. Not everyone uses their free will for the good of others, or even themselves. The existence of war and bloodshed is not grounds for dismissing the existence of God - that's rather simplistic.

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Re: God will not do miracles for show or crowd pulling
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2012, 07:34:37 PM »
Most of the Christians I know are not arrogant - far from it. I do feel that you are being arrogant here, though, by ridiculing the beliefs of others. I agree with the other posters here - miracles are not part of intelligent belief. We are granted free will, and we have to choose how we employ it. Not everyone uses their free will for the good of others, or even themselves. The existence of war and bloodshed is not grounds for dismissing the existence of God - that's rather simplistic.

They are not the only grounds for dismissing God or more precisely a Christian god, far from it, but this thread is about miracles and manifestation. And at what point have I specifically ridiculed beliefs? I have questioned and disagreed with them but that does not equate to ridicule.


 

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