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DeadMan

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the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« on: January 12, 2009, 01:48:31 PM »
Is the term "Word of God" nothing more than a theological trick to hide the truth?
Now, normal common sense would dictate that Christians would consider Christ to be the highest authority in Christianity...

but he spoke about blood for sin like this: "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice." That presents a problem for those who want to teach blood for sin, since Christ is the highest authority in Christianity.

But on the other hand, if we say that the words of Paul (who terrorized the first Christians) are the "Word of God," then we can use Paul's words ("Christ died for our sins") to overthrow what Christ was saying!

So is the term "Word of God" nothing more than a way to manipulate and hide the original teachings of Christ?
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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2009, 07:34:50 PM »
The term "Word of God" is not a theological trick to hide the truth.

John 1:1 states "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." God himself is the Word. In fact, 2 Timothy 3:16 states "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness".  Therefore, the Word of God is not a trick, or used to promote lies or hiding truth. God is truth, so why would He want to hide it?

Jesus says in John 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." So, Jesus says that He is truth. And in John 10:30, Jesus says "I and My Father are one." Jesus is stating that He and God are the same being, and though this is rather mysterious, it is the truth. Because Jesus and God are the same, and Jesus is truth, God is truth. Because God is the word, Jesus is the word. Therefore, the word of God is pure truth.

If you read through the books that Paul wrote (for example, the letters to the Romans, the Ephesians, the Philippians, etc), you will see that Paul called himself a sinner on many occasions. He said he was not worthy, but that God saved him because he confessed with his tongue that Jesus was Lord. Yes, Paul persecuted Christians, before he was saved by Christ.

Before the fall of man, there was no death. Then, Adam ate the apple, and there was the fall of man. From that point, every life that was born was being born into a sinful world. Therefore, no one was considered blameless, and each man born had to die. When God sent Jesus into the world, He was the only blameless soul. He was divine, so he could be blameless and sinless, but born of woman so he could physically die. When he died on the cross, he sacrificed his eternal life so that each and every man on earth who must die could be saved. All they have to do is accept Christ as his/her savior, and then Christ's sacrifice works towards them. 

There is no overthrowing in mercy, or in sacrifice. It's a gift.

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mamabear

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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2009, 03:25:05 AM »
The word of God is the truth.
But the interpretation of the word of God by the different religions is a theological trick that they play on the religious who cannot understand the truth in the word of God.
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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2009, 08:11:47 AM »
I agree with mamabear. It means the word of God exist not only in the Bible but also in other scriptures and teachings. The Bible is just one of the interpretations of the "words of God". Does it make sense? 
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cris2fear

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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2012, 01:45:53 PM »
Word of god is the word of ancient men who try to explain things around them so they can control gullible people of their time, if they only knew how far their prank went that reached to the 21st century, they would be laughing out loud now and feel a bit guilty about it.
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zararina

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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2012, 06:40:39 PM »
I could say word of God is the word of love, truth and life.
It was right that it could have different meanings as people have different interpretation of "words". As word of God could be the word of wisdom.
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jackydragon

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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2012, 02:08:21 AM »
Quote from: st_hart on July 14, 2009, 08:11:47 AM
I agree with mamabear. It means the word of God exist not only in the Bible but also in other scriptures and teachings. The Bible is just one of the interpretations of the "words of God". Does it make sense?

Makes no sense to me. The bible did not exist in the beginning. How does that make sense to you?
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misumaru15

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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2012, 02:36:12 AM »
I don't think it's a trick. However if you don't believe in God at all you will believe any type of teaching is a trick. I'm not sure you can have an open mind and discussion if you think this way.
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R. Paradon

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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2012, 07:03:54 AM »
Quote from: DeadMan on January 12, 2009, 01:48:31 PM
Is the term "Word of God" nothing more than a theological trick to hide the truth?
Now, normal common sense would dictate that Christians would consider Christ to be the highest authority in Christianity...

but he spoke about blood for sin like this: "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice." That presents a problem for those who want to teach blood for sin, since Christ is the highest authority in Christianity.

But on the other hand, if we say that the words of Paul (who terrorized the first Christians) are the "Word of God," then we can use Paul's words ("Christ died for our sins") to overthrow what Christ was saying!

So is the term "Word of God" nothing more than a way to manipulate and hide the original teachings of Christ?

I think the "blood" aspect is from the last supper when the wine that was given "in remembrance of me" was merely representative of the life of Jesus.  I am not a biblical scholar by any means but to me the Bible is mostly a history book and as in all spiritual writings some things are written in parables and Jesus himself did that often.  So I can not see it as being a theological trick.
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Sandra Piddock

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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2012, 05:54:31 PM »
Quote from: R. Paradon on February 14, 2012, 07:03:54 AM
I think the "blood" aspect is from the last supper when the wine that was given "in remembrance of me" was merely representative of the life of Jesus.  I am not a biblical scholar by any means but to me the Bible is mostly a history book and as in all spiritual writings some things are written in parables and Jesus himself did that often.  So I can not see it as being a theological trick.

The theological tricks come from people who manipulate what they call the Word of God to achieve their own ends - which are often more to do with money than theology. People tend to get too literal about all this -  the Bible is not the Word of God, it is, as Richard says, more of a history book full of spiritual writings. Look for the Word of God, or the wisdom of whomever you follow within yourself - it's right there, waiting for discovery, and it's no trick - just the simple truth.
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jackydragon

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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2012, 12:29:29 PM »
Quote from: Sandra Piddock on February 14, 2012, 05:54:31 PM
The theological tricks come from people who manipulate what they call the Word of God to achieve their own ends - which are often more to do with money than theology. People tend to get too literal about all this -  the Bible is not the Word of God, it is, as Richard says, more of a history book full of spiritual writings. Look for the Word of God, or the wisdom of whomever you follow within yourself - it's right there, waiting for discovery, and it's no trick - just the simple truth.

Very well said.
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zerospin

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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 04:46:31 PM »
Quote from: DeadMan on January 12, 2009, 01:48:31 PM
Is the term "Word of God" nothing more than a theological trick to hide the truth?

There are no contemporary records of what Jesus was saying. It took decades if not centuries for the first records to be written. By that time he was long dead, and people could have fabricated anything they liked and put it in his mouth, to suit their needs. Religion is a powerful tool to control the masses, one would have to be extremely naive to think manipulations like this did not happen in the past. Look at the amount of scam and fake things today, you can be certain the same was the case back then. Just because it survived for so long means only one thing, it worked - and we can see the proof today, the Church is the richest corporation in the world. Selling spiritual comfort, must be the best business idea since the dawn of time.
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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2012, 12:17:27 PM »
Quote from: zerospin on February 16, 2012, 04:46:31 PM
Just because it survived for so long means only one thing, it worked - and we can see the proof today, the Church is the richest corporation in the world. Selling spiritual comfort, must be the best business idea since the dawn of time.

Um, I have some questions. Don’t you ever wonder why not one powerful person who doesn’t believe in God can’t win over the belief of God? And not a powerful being ever emerged to be greater than God? Don’t you ever wonder why the words of God never wane, never vanish? What keeps it going? What keeps it alive? What keeps it strong? Why does it surfaced in the first place? Do you think it’s for religion or to gain power per se? Do you simply believe that people see the preacher who speaks the word and not the word the preacher speaks?
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HollysMom

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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2012, 03:39:53 PM »
Quote from: jackydragon on February 14, 2012, 02:08:21 AM
Makes no sense to me. The bible did not exist in the beginning. How does that make sense to you?

The person you're quoting cited the Bible and "other scriptures and teachings." People were writing about Christ long before the books of the Bible were collated and established. Just because those writings no longer exist, does not mean that they did not exist then. (We know he was written and spoken about because of Josephus, right?)
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Re: the "Word of God" is nothing more than a theological trick
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2012, 12:22:48 AM »
Quote from: DeadMan on January 12, 2009, 01:48:31 PM
Is the term "Word of God" nothing more than a theological trick to hide the truth?
Now, normal common sense would dictate that Christians would consider Christ to be the highest authority in Christianity...

but he spoke about blood for sin like this: "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice." That presents a problem for those who want to teach blood for sin, since Christ is the highest authority in Christianity.

But on the other hand, if we say that the words of Paul (who terrorized the first Christians) are the "Word of God," then we can use Paul's words ("Christ died for our sins") to overthrow what Christ was saying!

So is the term "Word of God" nothing more than a way to manipulate and hide the original teachings of Christ?

That's an interesting thought...I think it would be more to cover or conceal,

[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.

The word of God is a revealer...

It reveals the heart and the intentions of the one believing and following the teachings..

For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

It exposes the 'truth' of the believer and hearer, not always a pretty thing to behold! Because most think it reveals the other people in this world when it is designed for self improvement and self insight first..

It says to have a good' understanding and that word interpreted as good is towb which means beautiful or fair...so if I understand and see that this creation is only 'ra which means bad, then my understanding is not perfected yet. If all I can hope and think of is escape from this terrible world then all my understanding is 'ra

The bible is like the ultimate straw dog...build up one understanding, tear it down and rebuild the better, the first and the last..it also says to remove your foot from evil! not going to get too far standing there jumping up and down screaming I found the serpent!! LOL! most you will get is brusied heel..and/or head!
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