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Re: suicide
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2009, 03:22:16 PM »
Christians believe, committing a suicide sends you to hell. Damaging your body or others is a bad thing, and leaving the world by suicide is unforgivable.
As an atheist, I think committing a suicide makes people close to you feel bad for no reason, there's never enough of a bad reason to kill self. You will always get over things, if you try.

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Re: suicide
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2009, 07:34:20 PM »
Committment of suicide is a sin in every respect. It is being forbidden in almost every religion and it is being clearly mentioned in all the religious books. GOD has given us life and we don't have any right to take it and for this sin HE will never forgive us.

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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2009, 06:22:35 AM »
This is strictly my personal belief: I don't believe that God has a criteria to accept this or that person into his ''kingdom''. God's love is unconditional; thus, accepting everyone as they are. If you remember the saying that God has created man into his own image, it should not be hard for you to believe that regardless of what a person does with their life, he or she is loved nonetheless. Besides, Kingdom of God is here and now, there are no pearly gates to be passed through or a huge book where every sin or good deed is recorded. The only consequence of suicide is in the soul's way of transitioning from the physical existence to back to non-physical.

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Re: suicide
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2009, 07:37:06 AM »
Depression, lack of self esteem are few reasons behind suicide. I think suicide is a moral sin committed towards society as well as family of a person. Sometimes environment and problems also play crucial role in such things. I don't think there is any place for such people in heaven.

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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2009, 11:28:50 AM »
you claim that depression and lack of self esteem are reasons behind suicide, then state that these unfotunates who felt rejected by life and society should be rejected in the here-after as well? fortunately  whatever god you claim to believe in would not be so callous.
if all you see is 'suffering' then that is all you will feel. look for what is better in yourself and see only that.

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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2009, 01:08:48 PM »
you claim that depression and lack of self esteem are reasons behind suicide, then state that these unfotunates who felt rejected by life and society should be rejected in the here-after as well? fortunately  whatever god you claim to believe in would not be so callous.
I think you misjudged my statement. We don't have any right to give away this beautiful life provided by God in shear hand of ogre of difficulties and problems. God provides this life to help people and serve humanity. so to secur a place in heaven, we must follow his path, not the p[ath of suicide.

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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2009, 02:07:30 PM »
since no-one can claim exclusive access to heaven, nor to know 'god's' mind let alone his design, you cannot know that suffers of suicide will be denied after the life is ended.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2009, 02:09:53 PM by tahn1000 »
if all you see is 'suffering' then that is all you will feel. look for what is better in yourself and see only that.

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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2009, 11:13:36 AM »
To be honest I think that this subject has a very fine line . Do I believe that suicide is wrong , yes I do but there are things that can happen to a person that will drive them to suicide. When all they want is to stop the pain and torment of the things that are going on around them (depression can make you want to do that ) This is one thing that you want to stay away from and if you know someone that is like that right now get them out of that mood as fast as you can .

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Re: suicide
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2009, 04:27:08 AM »
In Hindu religion, Suicide is nothing more then to kill the enlighten soul in the temple of your heart. Have you heard about 'Black Monday; a day on which several Millionaires performed suicide in U.S.

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Re: suicide
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2012, 04:28:47 PM »
Some religions, specifically Christianity, believe that when a person commits suicide, it's an unforgivable sin and the soul of the individual is sent straight to hell.

If you believe in reincarnation, which means the soul is timeless, there is no death, there's really no way you can kill yourself. The physical body will succumb, but the soul can never be destroyed.

Most people commit suicide because they feel they can no longer go on, the challenge of life has become to difficult for them, therefore they attempt to throw in the towel. The key word in the last sentence is "attempt." Those who have attempted suicide but were unsuccessful, but had a "Near Death Experience" have stated that when they were having the out-of-body experience (clinically dead) they realized they were not dead. They still had their same consciousness as they looked down at their lifeless bodies.

If a person commits suicide he will face very similar challenges in another life except those challenges will be just a tad more difficult. That's why, some metaphysical authors have stated there are "habitual suicides." In other words, in 2-3 lifetimes in a row, the same soul commits suicide in succession. Finally, with assistance from spirit guides, they realize the challenges will have to be met at some point and time, in order to continue to evolve.

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Re: suicide
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2012, 07:08:08 PM »
Very nice of you to pick this up, taskeinc, since it was inactive for almost three years.
I would like to reply as well.

Suicide is no solution at all. In fact it is the worst solution you can choose for.

When I was in my mid thirties, more then fifteen years ago, I felt I was finished with this life and wanted to commit suicide because I didn't see any purpose in my life anymore.
Someone told me of the book The Cycle of the Soul by Jozef Rulof. In that book a man called Lantos is allowed to tell through the medium Rulof about his own life, why he committed suicide and what happened next to him.

I was very intrigued by that because if you want to end your life you better know what happens next in case something bad would happen to you. I rushed to the bookstore to get my own papercopy of it and started reading it.
The language in that book was very straight forward and he told in very clear detail about his life, the reason why he committed suicide, what happened to him as a consequence of that and how he moved on.

It was downright horrifying to read about the consequence of suicide. It made it very clear to me that if you see no purpose in your life anymore it is still much better to stay on earth because here you have the light and the warmth of the sun. You can always go out to a park or a forest, the beach, etcetera to brighten up your mind. Anything is better then committing suicide.

It cured me completely of my suicidal thoughts and I started reading the other books of Jozef Rulof. Later on, when I looked back on that period of my life I realized that there were some specific reasons as to why I felt so down and out. Some things that happened later on in my life made me realize that there were other things that were related to me that caused my deep depressive thoughts in that time.
With the knowledge of Jozef Rulof's books I was then able to take a much better stand to the difficulties that I came across in the next years of my life.

The acquaintance with Rulof's books really were a turning point in my life.

The book The Cycle of the Soul is available for free on the internet along with some other introductory books of Jozef Rulof.
Links to the free online versions and links to the free pdf versions are available on my website.
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Re: suicide
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2012, 11:18:10 PM »
Look, the reason suicide is shunned in Christianity is because in The Bible there is the promise of eternal ever lasting happiness. And in the old days life was extremely hard. So people, who were mostly all uneducated, would naturally think, "Why should I go on like this? If Heaven is so great, I should just go there now."
So Christians made the stipulation that if you kill yourself you go to hell. It's that simple.

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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2012, 01:36:41 AM »
Look, the reason suicide is shunned in Christianity is because in The Bible there is the promise of eternal ever lasting happiness. And in the old days life was extremely hard. So people, who were mostly all uneducated, would naturally think, "Why should I go on like this? If Heaven is so great, I should just go there now."
So Christians made the stipulation that if you kill yourself you go to hell. It's that simple.

Very logical explanation. I bet the same could be said for Islam and Judaism as well.
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Re: suicide
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2012, 11:20:11 PM »
This life, all of our lives, are filled with challenges. Some are easy, some are more difficult. What I believe about those who take their own lives, especially those who have a sound mind, that individual will have to overcome that part of their journey at some point and time.

It's like you are in High School, you get to the 11th grade and you decide you want to drop out. Before you can go to the next level of learning, you're going to need to go back and repeat the 11th grade. That's similar to what the soul has to do if you cut your own life short. You're not punished eternally, regardless of what these "Holy Books" are saying, but you will need to learn whatever the intended lesson was.

Our experience on this earth is all about learning and spiritual growth. If that growth is interrupted prematurely, at some point of your evolution, it will continue.

Dr. Michael Newton explains what occurs to suicides in his book, "Destiny of Souls." The book is a compilation of many of his subjects, people who, under hypnosis, were regressed back to a previous life, and often spoke of their life "between lives." There have been some souls who have actually committed suicide more than once. The one thing that any person realizes immediately after he takes his own life is that, HE IS NOT DEAD. He's not dead because there is no such thing as death.

The human body is only needed for this earthly dimension. Many subjects who were under hypnosis, when describing their experience, would look down on their bodies and at first would not realize it was their earthly body. Once they did realize it was their body, they had no attachment to it (emotional, spiritual, etc.) whatsoever and viewed it as a "discarded glove," or an "old overcoat."

The major problem that a suicide faces is not in the afterlife, which is a place of unconditional love and forgiveness, his problem will occur in his next existence. He will face a very similar problem, except the problem will be a tad bit more difficult. That is why oftentimes you'll have habitual suicides from the same soul. At some point and time, and with the help of spirit guides, and afterlife experience, the soul will eventually learn the intended lesson. There is no rush, because he has all of eternity to get it right.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2012, 11:25:49 PM by taskeinc »
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Re: suicide
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2012, 01:01:37 AM »
taskeinc, I like your explanation. The idea of suffering is our idea, not God's.
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