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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2012, 08:12:20 AM »
No, it requires a download, and I would rather discuss it here.


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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2012, 03:20:12 AM »
Hi, here is a description of an enlightened person from the Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 2 (the comments are mine. This excerpt is taken from my book The Bhagavad Gita)
The discussion in the Bhagavad Gita is mostly between Krishna (Guru/Godhead) and Arjuna (Disciple)

Arjuna said:

54. “What are the characteristics, o Kesava (Krishna), of one whose mind is steady, and who is intent on concentration? How does a person of steady mind speak, sit, or walk?”

Comment: We are all curious as to how we can tell if someone is Self-realized or not. Many teachers have appeared who have claimed to be in the highest state. How can we distinguish the truly liberated person from a charlatan?

Krishna said:

55. “When a man or woman, o son of Pritha (Arjuna), abandons all the desires of his or her heart, and when his or her spirit is content in itself, then he or she is called one of steady mind.

56. “He or she whose heart is not agitated in the midst of calamities, who has no longing for pleasures, and from whom the feelings of passion, fear, and wrath have departed, is called a sage of steady mind.

57. “His or her mind is steady, who, being without attachments anywhere, feels no exultation and no aversion on encountering the various agreeable and disagreeable things of this world.

58. “A person's mind is steady, when he or she withdraws the senses from all objects of sense, as the tortoise withdraws its limbs into the shell.

59. “Objects of sense draw back from a person who is abstinent; not so the taste for those objects. But even the taste departs from him or her, when the Supreme is seen.

60. “The boisterous senses, o son of Kunti (Arjuna), carry away by force the mind even of the wise, who are striving for perfection.

61. “Restraining them all, a person should remain engaged in devotion, making me his or her only resort. For that person’s mind is steady whose senses are under his or her control.

62. “The person who ponders over objects of sense forms an attachment to them; from attachment desire is born, and from desire anger is produced.

63. “From anger arises bewilderment; from bewilderment, confusion of the memory; from confusion of the memory, destruction of the intellect; and in consequence of destruction of the intellect, he or she is utterly ruined.

64. “But that self-restrained man or woman obtains tranquility, who moves among the objects of senses with the senses under his or her control and who is free from affection and aversion.

65. “When there is tranquility, all his or her miseries are destroyed, for the mind of him or her whose heart is tranquil soon becomes steady.

66. “He or she who is not self-restrained has no steadiness of mind; nor has he or she who is not self-restrained perseverance in the pursuit of self-knowledge; there is no tranquility for him or her who does not persevere in the pursuit of self-knowledge; and how can there be happiness for one who is not tranquil?

67. “For the heart which follows the roving senses leads away his or her judgment, as the wind carries away a boat upon the waters.

68. “Therefore, o you of mighty arms (Arjuna), his or her mind is steady whose senses are restrained on all sides from the objects of sense.

69. “The self-restrained person is awake when it is night for all beings; and when all beings are awake, that is the night of the right-seeing sage.”

Comment: Many uninformed people consider stillness of mind as the mere absence of the usual thought activity. They consider the sitting in stillness to be a waste of valuable time.

However, Meditators consider the non-stop activity of the mind as waste of energy, and they enjoy the peaceful state of stillness that unites them with their underlying pure essence.

70. “He or she into whom all objects of desire enter, as waters enter the ocean, which is ever being filled, yet ever motionless - only he or she obtains tranquility; not he or she who desires those objects of desire.

71. “The man or woman obtains tranquility, who, casting off all desires, lives free from attachments, who is free from egoism and from the feeling that this or that is mine.

72. “This, o son of Pritha (Arjuna), is the Divine State; attaining to this, one is never deluded; and remaining in it in one's last moments, one attains the bliss of God (Brahmanirvana).”

Comment: This description of a perfected being is very clear. Nothing can be added to it as offered by Krishna. Individuality stops the moment you are overtaken by pure Being. No one has ever entered into pure Self of their own accord. All enlightened beings have had to leave their limitations and the selfish aspects of their individuality behind in order to cross the threshold into pure Being.

In the same way as gold and slush separate when the ore is melted down, so does the individual self let go of all selfishness when subjected to the purifying fire of Yoga. The ego bows before the Self and accepts it as its superior.

Death is a state that the enlightened being neither fears nor is looking forward to. When the time comes, there is acceptance of the fact that the end is near, but there is no desire for death or a desire for life. Whatever comes unsought, the perfected being will gladly accept it in a spirit of humility as an offering to pure existence.

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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2013, 11:04:21 PM »
According to this description, I will probably never attain enlightenment in this lifetime. However, I do consider myself enlightened when I compare myself now to where I used to be.

I have spent 27 years on the spiritual path. When I think about how I viewed life so long ago, and how I see things now, I know that my consciousness has grown. I am much more spiritually aware and mature now than I ever was before.  And when I look back 27 years from now, I hope will have grown significantly from where I am now.

To me, enlightenment is not a goal that I will one day attain. It is a process whereby I allow myself to live in closer alignment with spiritual Truth. Since Spirit is Infinite, I believe that enlightenment is infinite also.   

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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2013, 01:28:01 AM »
Enlightenment is here Now, its not something you achieve in the so called future. You are already that, the searching and wanting is your prison, you are trying to achieve something that you already have. When you do find what you already have, you will laugh like mad, you will Realize the Cosmic joke was always on you. :)
Never become a Christian. If you want to become something, become a Christ. Never become a Buddhist. If you want to become something, become a Buddha.


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