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DiminishingInsanity

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« on: July 12, 2012, 07:33:21 PM »
As I was surfing the web the other day as I'm all too prone to do I came upon this Buddhist description of Enlightenment. To be specific it does not really describe Enlightenment but rather a person who has achieved it. The more I read it the more it speaks to me, and I'd be interested in hearing other peoples impressions of it. Also, if anybody can offer a description of Enlightenment themselves that's fine to.

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1. What are enlightened people like? Well, some are men and some are women. You might find them in a monastery or a suburban home, in the forest or in a small country town. It is true that there are not many of them but there are a lot more than people usually think. It is not that enlightenment is inherently difficult; the sad truth is that most people cannot be bothered to pull themselves out of the bog of ignorance and craving.

2. At first you wouldn't notice the enlightened person in a crowd because he's rather quiet and retiring. But when things started to get heated, that's when he'd stand out. When everyone else was enflamed by rage he'd still be full of love. When others were in turmoil because of some crisis he'd be as calm as he was before. In a mad scramble to get as much as possible, he'd be the one over in the corner with the content expression on his face. He walks smoothly over the rough, he's steady amidst the shaking. It's not that he wants to make a point of being different, rather it's freedom from desire that has made him completely self-contained. But strangely, although others can't move him, his calm presence moves them. His gentle reasoned words unite those at odds and bring even closer together those already united. The afflicted, the frightened and the worried feel better after they have talked with him. Wild animals sense the kindness in the enlightened one's heart and are not afraid of him. Even the place where he dwells, be it village, forest, hill or vale, seems more beautiful simply because he is there.

3. He's not always expressing an opinion or defending a point of view, in fact he doesn't seem to have any views, therefore people often mistake him for a fool. When he doesn't get upset or retaliate to abuse or ridicule again people think there must be something wrong with him. But he doesn't mind what they think. He appears to be dumb but it's just that he prefers to remain silent. He acts as if he was blind but actually he sees everything that is going on. People think he is weak but really he is very strong. Despite all appearances he is as sharp as a razor's edge.

4. His face is always radiant and serene because he never worries about what happened yesterday or what might happen tomorrow. His carriage and movements are graceful and poised because he has a natural mindfulness of everything he does. His voice is lovely to hear and his words are urbane, clear and to the point. He is beautiful in a way that has nothing to do with physical appearance or eloquence but which comes from his own inner goodness.

5. He might have a house but if it burned down tomorrow he would move somewhere else and be just as comfortable there. He can be at home anywhere. Even those who try to cut down on the number or things they own always seem to have too much. No matter how much the enlightened one is given he always seems to have just enough. True, he seeks the necessities of life like everyone else but he takes only what he needs and his needs are very small. His life is uncluttered and simple and he is content with what comes his way. His real nourishment is joy, his real beverage is truth, his real home is awareness.

6. Ordinary people are as noisy as babbling brooks while the enlightened one is as silent as the ocean depths. He loves quiet and he speaks in praise of quiet. By this I don't mean he never opens his mouth. He's only too happy to talk about the Dhamma to those interested in listening, although he never preaches and he won't get involved in arguments or debates. Also, because he doesn't talk beyond what he actually knows everything he says is vested with an authenticity that the `experts' simply can't match.

7. The enlightened one's mind is not cluttered with thoughts nor is it inactive. When he needs thoughts he thinks and when he doesn't need them he lets them fall silent. For him they are a tool not a problem. He still has memories, emotions and ideas but he is unmoved by them. To him they are just magical illusions. He watches them as they arise, as they persist, as they pass away. His mind is like the clear empty sky - clouds drift through but it remains spacious, pristine and unchanged.

8. Although he is pure in all ways, the enlightened one doesn't think of himself as being better than, as good as or inferior to anyone else. Others are just as they are and there is no need for judgements or comparisons. He's not for or against anyone or anything. He no longer sees things in terms of good and evil, pure and impure, success and failure. He has understood the world of duality and gone beyond it. He has even gone beyond the idea of samsara and nirvana. Being beyond everything he is free from everything. No desires, no fears, no concepts, no worries.

9. Not so long ago the enlightened one was as confused and as unhappy as everyone else. So how did he get the way he is? It was simple really. He stopped looking for the cause of all his pain outside himself and began to look within. As he looked he saw that the things he identified with and clung to; body, feelings, emotions, concepts, problems; all were not his. And then he just let go. No longer entangled in the unreal he saw the real, the Unborn, the Unbecome, the Unmade, the Unconditioned. Now he abides in that empty, signless freedom and he's happy all the time. Because of this it is rather difficult to categorise the enlightened one. Others try to pigeon-hole him by calling him a saint, an arahat or even sometimes a fool. But he laughs at these labels and refers to himself as `a nobody'. How can you label someone who has transcended all boundaries?

10. Because he has completed his task and has nothing more to do the enlightened one spends most of his time sitting quietly minding his own business. To the ordinary person there may seem to be a dull sameness about the enlightened one's life. "Give me a bit of excitement, a bit of variety", they say. But of course when they get excitement or variety of the type they don't like - sickness, failure, rejection or death - then they fall into despair. That's when the enlightened one quietly steps forward to help and to heal. And because he's got plenty of time he can give himself fully to others. He touches everyone with his love.

11. He is happy to bide his time like this until the end and when death finally comes he embraces it without fear and goes his way without regret. What happens to the enlightened one after death? Scholars have argued about that for centuries. But you can't find where the enlightened one has gone anymore than you can trace the path of a bird flying free in the sky. In death as in life, the Trackless One leaves no tracks.

Om Shanti
Guru Swami G


http://www.guruswamig.com/realization/enlightenment-a-description
« Last Edit: July 13, 2012, 08:43:37 AM by DiminishingInsanity »
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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2012, 12:03:58 AM »
There are a few key elements of that message. I will let you guys figure that part out.

I view true enlightenment as a result of a huge commitment. I don't think it can be a goal that is achieved. It is the result of achieving many other goals. I think that 90% of people will not understand the path to enlightenment, and probably closer to 99%.

And all because of a few key words in that message.

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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2012, 05:44:28 PM »
My Lord, Diminishing, couldn't you condense that? "o) In my opinion, enlightenment is a time where one comes to the realization that certain things are more important than others. Material possessions will satisfy for a certain amount of time, physical acts will only provide a boost for so many minutes. Money will provide you with a feeling of security and then what? When one is englightened, my thought is that they have found an awareness that goes beyond any tangible object that brings some  modicum of pleasure. They have found a place and space that provides them with the knowledge, that you can move beyond the terrestial trappings which will eventually fade, to find a place that continues to give you life in another positive demension, that is so much more satisfactory and brings lasting pleasure, where you are nourished and sustained.

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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2012, 07:06:43 PM »

My Lord, Diminishing, couldn't you condense that? "o)

Sorry, but it is a quote, and I couldn't bring myself to chop it down.


In my opinion, enlightenment is a time where one comes to the realization that certain things are more important than others. Material possessions will satisfy for a certain amount of time, physical acts will only provide a boost for so many minutes. Money will provide you with a feeling of security and then what? When one is englightened, my thought is that they have found an awareness that goes beyond any tangible object that brings some  modicum of pleasure. They have found a place and space that provides them with the knowledge, that you can move beyond the terrestial trappings which will eventually fade, to find a place that continues to give you life in another positive demension, that is so much more satisfactory and brings lasting pleasure, where you are nourished and sustained.

Thanks for your thoughts on it. It makes me wonder if there are perhaps different levels of Enlightenment.
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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2012, 10:38:45 PM »
..I  was joking with you about cutting it down. "o) I would find that reasonable, as all people who feel feel they have been enlightened, I think, can be at one stage and others another. I also do not think there is a finite way to measure one against another. They are all part of individual experiences imo.
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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2012, 06:23:10 PM »
That really is a beautiful description of enlightenment - and it's convinced me that I'm nowhere near achieving that desirable state. The biggest thing I have to address is number 4 - to convince myself that what has passed does not matter and what is to come is not worth worrying about. When I can deal with that, I'll be a lot more contented in myself, and much closer to enlightenment.

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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2012, 04:57:15 AM »
The biggest ones for me are 1-11.
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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2012, 06:06:50 PM »
In my humble opinion enlightened means that you've finally figured it out. You have come to the realization that you are a loving being and at that point it becomes relatively easy to stay away from the "I'm right, you're wrong" type debates, especially centered around religion and politics.

You are an expression of love and everything you do or say clearly points that out. You no longer have to talk about it, your life is about it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2012, 06:44:23 PM »
And yet as humans we routinely bypass the basic reality. It is just so obvious that elightened people focus on positives and avoid negatives, while the entire basic reality is negative. Sure, there is a positive side, but it is AFTER the basic reality.

What do we think about "enlightened" people who are actually just CONVENIENT?

They are consumed by the ego.

The world is junk. If you want to be enlightened, do something about the world and forget about YOU.

Be something and quit talking about it.

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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2012, 07:18:06 PM »
And yet as humans we routinely bypass the basic reality. It is just so obvious that elightened people focus on positives and avoid negatives, while the entire basic reality is negative. Sure, there is a positive side, but it is AFTER the basic reality.

Well that's the thing. We do not know what reality is. Perception = deception.

What do we think about "enlightened" people who are actually just CONVENIENT?

They are consumed by the ego.

The difference between an enlightened person and the rest of us is they are not consumed by ego and we are. It's a bit presumptuous to write about what "we" think. Your thoughts are just that your thoughts.

The world is junk. If you want to be enlightened, do something about the world and forget about YOU.

How is that possible when the world is coming from you? How you see the world is a reflection of an inward condition. Projection makes perception. As ACIM says "Seek not to change the world. Seek to change your interpretation of the world."

The world already has too many hurting people trying to solve other people's problems. Usually they just make things worse. As Jesus said "When the blind lead the blind they both end up in the ditch."
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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2012, 07:38:55 PM »
It is natural to blame the messenger. Edgar Cayce proved to the world through his actions, for over 40 years, what I talk about. I have science and proof backing up my words.

You have the ability to seek popularity. I sacrifice everything to defend truth. You can have the popularity.

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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2012, 06:18:42 AM »
All science has are theories that are constantly changing. The "proof" you speak of does not exist.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2012, 12:13:56 PM »
Science:

This realm of God that contains the stream of light is described as infinite when compared to the physical world we live in, which is finite. Evolution of matter in the physical world resulted in various life forms. God discovered He could place souls into the finite realm by incarnating them into life forms. This placed lower vibrating energy into a higher vibrating world, thus creating an "equal and opposite reaction" of higher vibration that "mirrored" the soul. This destructive high vibration is the ego.

The spiritual realm as I described has souls with various vibrations which limit their ability to travel down the path of light. In the physical world, we can attach to the ego or we can identify it and control it. If we attach, our souls end up with higher vibration than when they started. If we understand and control the ego, we can use that negative energy to "purify" our souls and result in a lower vibration. The ego is the delusional mechanism that prevents us from being spiritual beings in the physical world.

This is our spiritual life purpose...to overcome our focus on the physical world, identify our egos, and purify our souls so we can be in Heaven...or even closer to God. When we die, we take our ego (vibration) with us if we are still attached to it. Our world is dominated by reincarnated souls from Hell, which is an unstable vibrating existence in the spiritual realm. Once we achieve soul purity, or lower vibration, we can stay in Heaven and be content to exist as one. This life purpose is not the result of God's Will, but simply the necessary component to balance the magnetism in the universal equation...a simple balance of vibration.

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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2012, 08:12:00 PM »
Huh. I actually know someone exactly like that. She's a friend of mine and she fits this description perfectly. I was just thinking the other day that I can't find a single flaw in her personality (Apart from being too kind and accepting but those aren't really flaws, are they?).

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Re: Enlightenment
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2012, 11:38:37 AM »
All science has are theories that are constantly changing. The "proof" you speak of does not exist.

Read this ( a proof   )
https://rapidshare.com/files/2253135270/076_Live_Zen.pdf


 

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