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Meaning of end of world and second coming of Jesus
« on: April 18, 2010, 11:14:10 AM »
   Meaning of end of world and second coming of Jesus

Tribulation comes in every human generation. Tribulation should be understood in its inner sense. The sun becomes black. The sun means the intelligence or the discrimination power. Black means the evil direction. The moon becomes red. Moon stands for mind (Chandrama Manasah –Veda). The red colour indicates emotion and anger.  The divine bodies escape their orbits. The divine bodies mean the feelings of good people. Orbits mean the paths of justice. Like this one should understand the inner meaning. It is scholastic language. Jesus is a great scholar.

 The same tribulation is mentioned in Gita “whenever the tribulation appears in any human generation and at any place, I shall come down in the human form to set it right” (Yadahi Yadahi—Gita). In Gita “Dharma Glanih” means tribulation. This tribulation may take place in physical sense at the end. The re-incarnation of the Jesus to judge and punish is nothing but the “Kalki” incarnation mentioned in Hinduism. It is a very powerful incarnation. But mean while the Lord will come again and again to change the people through the divine knowledge. After many efforts, the final step is taken. When you say that Jesus will come again, it means He will come again and again to preach and change. Such interpretation synchronises with Gita also.

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Re: Meaning of end of world and second coming of Jesus
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2010, 10:52:16 AM »
According to Geeta, tribulation or Avatar arrives in the condition of excess to serve humanity from crimes and violence. I firmly believes that Jesus will also arrive to give right direction to his children from sins.

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Re: Meaning of end of world and second coming of Jesus
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2010, 12:22:15 PM »
According to Geeta, tribulation or Avatar arrives in the condition of excess to serve humanity from crimes and violence. I firmly believes that Jesus will also arrive to give right direction to his children from sins.

God comes in human form for a multi-dimensional program

God comes in human form for a multi-dimensional program. He preaches divine knowledge covering all humanity including atheists. Miracles are mainly for atheists alone and some atheists have been converted into theists through the miracles. God receives the services of certain blessed devotees, who had done a lot of penance with that desire. He selects for His service only such a blessed soul, who has done a lot of penance in the past. The human incarnation mainly comes here only to fulfill the desire of such blessed devotees. Having come to earth for that purpose, He always tries to uplift all through the divine knowledge and miracles. The few exceptional blessed devotees are pleased to serve the Lord personally and see the pleasure on the face of the Lord, for which they did a lot of penance for several births. This is the main purpose of the visit of God in human form to earth.

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Re: Meaning of end of world and second coming of Jesus
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2010, 03:47:52 PM »
I don't think that miracles are only for atheist to convert them into true devotee of God. I think they are a true sign of God and really strengthens faith of his true devotee. Miracles are also used to spread his grace on people with faith.

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Re: Meaning of end of world and second coming of Jesus
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2010, 03:06:57 AM »
I don't think that miracles are only for atheist to convert them into true devotee of God. I think they are a true sign of God and really strengthens faith of his true devotee. Miracles are also used to spread his grace on people with faith.

Today ignorant people are thinking that the Human form, which does miracles, is Lord Datta. Demons and devils also do miracles. Are they god? Even if they claimed themselves as God, sages did not agree. Miracles are only jewels of God, which can be given to others, by God. If the king donates his jewels to beggar, does the beggar become the king? Demons and devils are also children of God. They take the miracles from God, by doing rigid penance. If your child is rigid, for your gold chain, will you not give it to that weeping child? When the child wears that gold chain, will the child become the father? Similarly by getting the powers from God, one does not become God. Knowledge is the shape and bliss is the beauty of God. The child can get the gold chain from his father, but not the shape and beauty of the father. Similarly demons and devils may get the powers from God to do miracles. But they cannot get the knowledge and bliss of the God. A real devotee recognizes the God in Human form by his blissful knowledge and not by his miracles. A Queen recognizes her husband who is the king, by the inseparable shape and beauty of her husband and not by his jewels. The foolish Queen requires the crown and jewels, to identify her husband. She rejects her husband, if he comes without crown and jewels. If some thief comes with that crown and jewels, the foolish queen recognizes him as her husband. Actually, people like miracles, because through miracles, they will detect the existence of the powers of God, in that human form. Then they want to use the powers for their selfish end, like getting wealth, curing disease etc. This is not selfless love and so it is not the right path to reach God. Hence miracles are harming the devotees. Hanuman recognized Lord Rama as God in Human form, even though Rama did not show any miracles and nobody is more intelligent than Hanuman in this spiritual path.

The essential duty of a Guru is to preach the right knowledge to the people who approach him. These people are serving the Guru in several ways like pressing the feet, giving Biksha (food) and giving Dakshina (money) etc. If the Guru keeps silent, it is not justified. You pay the fees to the teacher and if the teacher keeps silent, is it justified on his part to take the fees? Some Gurus are giving wrong knowledge and they will be punished in the Hell, because they have misled the people, after taking the fees.

A doctor takes the fees from the patient and keeps silent. Another doctor takes the fees, gives the wrong medicines due to his inefficiency and kills the patient. Both such doctors are criminals. God punishes the Gurus who do not preach and the gurus who preach wrong knowledge, because they have taken the service from the people, who surrendered to them.

The Sadgurus gives the right knowledge, even without your service. When you are convinced then only, you can do service to him which will help him, to help others. In fact a Satguru does not need your service because He is the God. He can help others, by his own powers. But you will not have the right benefit, because you did not show, the gratefulness to him. Suppose a doctor gives you medicines, without taking any fees and you get good health. If you are not paying the fees, even though you are capable, due to greediness, you will die, with a new disease. So, only for your safety, Satguru advises you to participate in the service.

Service consists of two parts.
   Paying the fees in terms of money, which you have earned by your work.
   Doing some work for the Guru.
You can do either of these or both as per you convenience. When you have taken meals in the Hotel, either you must pay the bill or do some work in the Hotel or you can partly pay the bill and partly do the work. The first part is called as Karma Phala Tyaga; the second part is called Karma Sanyasa. Both, these put together, are called Karma Yoga or service. This is explained in Bhagawat Gita clearly. So either you must pay the fees to the doctor or do some help, by working as a compounder. Without doing, either of these two, you come to the doctor, praise him by words or express your love, by feelings. What is the use of all these?

Similarly, you prayers and meditation are of no use, without service. Your prayers and meditation are like pickles, served in the plate and the bread or rice, which is the service, is missing in the center of the plate.

You are offering the plate with pickles, as meals then God, takes the pickles only, His stomach will burn and God will become furious on you. Even if pickles are absent, the rice or chapatti can be eaten. Hanuman, participated in the work of God, and did prayer and meditation. That is like a plate of full meal, which is the service, associated with prayer and meditation. I’m only telling that prayer and meditation should be associated with the service. If you are unable to do prayer and meditation you need not bother. You do service alone. God will bless you.

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Re: Meaning of end of world and second coming of Jesus
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2010, 02:24:20 PM »
the "second coming" is deception, according to christ's own warnings to his disciples. no matter who claims what, no matter what "proof" might be offered, it is falsehood.

matthew 24:23-26
"then if any man should say unto you, lo, here is christ, or there; believe it not. for there shall arise false christs [note the plural], and false prophets, and shall shew great signs of wonders; in so much that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. behold i have told you before. wherefore if they shall say unto you, behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."

mark 13:5-6
"and jesus answering them began to say, take heed lest any man deceive you. for many shall come in my name, saying, i am christ; and shall deceive many."

luke 21:8
"and he said, take heed that ye not be deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, i am christ; and the tiime draweth near: go ye not therefore after them."
if all you see is 'suffering' then that is all you will feel. look for what is better in yourself and see only that.

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2010, 05:42:28 PM »
the "second coming" is deception, according to christ's own warnings to his disciples. no matter who claims what, no matter what "proof" might be offered, it is falsehood.

matthew 24:23-26
"then if any man should say unto you, lo, here is christ, or there; believe it not. for there shall arise false christs [note the plural], and false prophets, and shall shew great signs of wonders; in so much that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. behold i have told you before. wherefore if they shall say unto you, behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."

mark 13:5-6
"and jesus answering them began to say, take heed lest any man deceive you. for many shall come in my name, saying, i am christ; and shall deceive many."

luke 21:8
"and he said, take heed that ye not be deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, i am christ; and the tiime draweth near: go ye not therefore after them."

The names like Rama, Krishna, Jesus etc., belong to the external human body, which has taken birth. Such names are generated only after the birth of these human bodies. Therefore, such names are certainly the names of the external human bodies only, which are like the shirts. When the human bodies perish, these names also must perish. But these names exist as eternal names even after the disappearance of these human bodies due to death. The reason is that these names were directed towards the inner Lord even during the time of existence these human bodies. A person is carrying vegetables for selling. You call him by the name “ Vegetables”. The person is not vegetable and the vegetables are not the person also. But the possessor of the vegetables is called by the name of the possessed material. Similarly, when the name “ Krishna or Jesus” was called, this name was directed towards the internal Lord also. Therefore, even if the human body perished, since the Lord is eternal, Krishna or Jesus is also eternal. When Krishna said that He will come again and again, whenever necessary ( Yada Yada hi….Gita), it means the eternal Lord present in the human body will come again and again through different human forms. Similarly, when it is told that Jesus will come again, it means the Lord present in that human body will come again. Here the names Krishna and Jesus indicate the Lord and not the human body.

When some body says that He will come again after 20 years, it does not mean that he will come in the same shirt. Even in the case of the ordinary human beings the name indicates the inner eternal soul also. When people say that Subba Rao died, it means that the name indicates the external human body. People say that Subba Rao’s last journey is today. It means that the name indicates only the external body, which is going to be cremated in the burial ground on that day. In these sayings the name indicates the external human body. But after one-year people say that today is the yearly ceremony of Subba Rao. When you have stated that Subba Rao finished his last journey one year back, how can you bring Subba Rao again after one year? Here the name indicates the inner soul. Therefore, even in the worldly terminology the name indicates both the external body and inner soul according to the context.

Therefore, when you say that Jesus was crucified and killed, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Jesus will come again on final day of destruction of this world, the name indicates the inner Lord. Thus, the same name indicates the external or internal item according to the context. When you say that Krishna danced in Brundavanam, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Krishna will come again and again whenever necessary, the name indicates the inner Lord. If you realise this discrimination, you have no quarrel with any religion. When you say that Jesus or Krishna will come again, it means that the inner Lord is going to come in different human bodies again. When you are drawing the picture of Jesus or Krishna, the picture represents the external human body only and not the inner Lord. You can never draw the picture of the inner Lord because He is beyond the realm of imagination. You cannot say about the existence of two unimaginable Lords. When the Lord is unimaginable, He can be only one. If you say that there are two entities, it means that both the entities are imaginable. Therefore, you have to accept that there is only one unimaginable Lord or God. The external human bodies are different and cannot be one. When I say that Krishna is Jesus, it means that the Lord in the body of Krishna and in the body of Jesus is one and the same. It does not mean that the two different bodies are one and the same.

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Re: Meaning of end of world and second coming of Jesus
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2010, 12:56:24 AM »
jesus, himself, answered to all deceptions and claims - "do not believe".
if all you see is 'suffering' then that is all you will feel. look for what is better in yourself and see only that.


 

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