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Grief is inevitable in the life. How to cross it?
« on: September 27, 2012, 07:35:46 PM »


You must carefully understand the meaning of the three words: smiling, weeping and enjoying. These three words are totally different from each other and have independent status of meaning. Generally, people misunderstand that smiling means enjoying and weeping means not enjoying. This is not correct. Smiling and weeping are external phenomena, whereas enjoying is internal phenomenon. While eating the sweet you are smiling. While eating a hot dish you are almost weeping since your tongue and lips vibrate and eyes shower tears. This smiling and weeping are observed externally. In eating both sweet and hot dishes, you are internally enjoying. You need not smile externally while eating the hot dish to show to the people that you are internally enjoying. You are the internal witness for your internal enjoyment. You need not smile externally to give proof for your internal enjoyment to the observers because the external public is in wrong notion that enjoyment means external smile only. If you give proof to the wrong notion, your proof is also wrong. If you are not enjoying the hot dish, you will always reject it. You cannot enjoy the sweet dishes also continuously.

You are certainly enjoying the hot dish between two sweet dishes. Therefore, the enjoyment is the common underlying concept in smiling as well as in the weeping. You are not enjoying the weeping because you do not have the knowledge of the concept of enjoyment in weeping. A child does not enjoy the hot dish, which causes weeping, because it does not have the knowledge of the concept of enjoying the weeping. A grown up adult has the knowledge of this concept and hence enjoys the hot dish. This same difference is the reason for the child to be reluctant to the hot dish and to get attracted for the sweet dish. The reason for this reluctance and attraction is the ignorance of the concept in the case of the child. The grown up adult is well versed in this knowledge and is also experienced for a long time in overcoming the initial reluctance to hot dish. Therefore, the adult is equally attracted to the sweet and hot dishes in the meals.

Unless you are equally attracted to the both scenes of happiness and unhappiness and also subsequently enjoy both the situations with equal interest, you cannot become the Yogi as said in Gita. This equality in interest and attraction is called as Yoga in Gita (samatvam yoga uchyate). This equality is misunderstood by some ignorant people as the equality in inertia and non-enjoyment of both the situations. Yogi is the person, who is equally interested and attracted to both the happy and unhappy situations and subsequently enjoys both equally. A yogi is not the person who runs away from both the situations and becomes inert equally without interest to both the situations. Yogi is the person who enjoys equally both the sweet and hot dishes. Yogi is not the person who runs away from both the dishes without interest.

God created this world with both happy and unhappy situations in altering fashion. Summer is followed by winter, and winter is again followed by summer. Day is followed by night and night is followed by day. This world is created for the entertainment of God in the ultimate sense. The sweet and hot dishes are prepared in the palace for the king. You are only a guest joining the king in the meals. The king is enjoying both the sweet and hot dishes equally. If you are enjoying only sweets and reluctant to the hot dishes, you are only a child and you are not the grown up adult like the king to enjoy both the dishes equally. You cannot be equal to the king in having the power of the administration of the kingdom. That point is ruled out. If you can enjoy the sweet and hot dishes equally like the king, you can become equal to king at least in this one concept of eating. If you behave like a child and become reluctant to the hot dishes you are in no way equal to the king in any angle. Similarly, you have no power of creation, control and destruction of this world like God. You cannot be equal to God in these angles. If you become equal to God in enjoying both happy and unhappy situations, you can be claimed to be equal to God at least in this one angle. You should not say that God is only spectator and not involved in the world directly. God is involved in the world through human incarnation like Rama, Krishna etc. as any human being is involved. The word Rama means the continuous enjoyment through continuous entertainment. If you see the life of Rama, there were several tragic scenes. Rama wept when His wife Sita was stolen. He was internally enjoying while weeping externally. This is similar to internal enjoyment of hot dish by an adult in whom you find the external signs of weeping only. It is said that Rama gives the salvation while alive (Jeevanmukti). The word Rama is said to be taraka mantra, which means that you will cross the grief. Grief is inevitable in the life. How to cross it? You can cross it only by learning the technique of enjoying it. Without understanding this meaning of the word Rama, there will be no use of chanting the word Rama continuously.

At this level of this concept, the difference between good and bad also vanishes as said in Gita (Buddhi Yukto Jahatiha…). Rama wept when His wife was stolen. The reason for this grief was the result of a bad action performed by Him previously as Lord Vishnu. Lord Vishnu killed the wife of sage Bhrugu. The present grief is the result of that previous sin. But, still, Rama enjoyed the grief internally so that He is always in the continuous state of entertainment and enjoyment only. Hence, this concept is the state of highest philosophy. This alone can be the real and permanent solution to be in constant state of bliss in which the stress and strain cannot exist at any time. Mr. Anil asked that whether this will encourage the sin. Swami replied: You need not fear for this because in this state there is no interest in doing some wrong action for selfish benefit. When you can enjoy the state of absence of selfish benefit also, where is the need for doing sin? Sin is said to be the wrong action performed for selfish benefit. Lord Vishnu also killed the wife of sage Bhrugu, since she was protecting a demon, who is harmful to the world. There was no selfishness in that action, but, the sage Bhrugu cursed Lord Vishnu due to his emotional ignorance. This curse can be actually nullified since there was no sin in reality. But the Lord welcomed it since He is fond of grief as an interval dish. Hence in this level of the divine state of God, there cannot be any possibility of even a trace of sin. The source of sin is selfishness and there is no need of selfishness in this state since self and non-self are equally enjoyed. 

The human being is inert body with life having developed faculties like mind, intelligence etc. The natural tendency of the developed life is to interact, involve and respond to the situations of circumstances. The present philosophers are developing various ways to develop immunity and become inert to the situations. In another way, they are preaching the transformation of natural tendency to unnatural tendency. In such case, the unnatural tendency of inertia of inert materials is far better than the natural tendency of developed life. It would have been better that the human being should have remained as inert body without the development of life. It means that God has created the life unnecessarily. God should have been wise if the creation of the world stopped at the level of inert materials and various forms of inert energy.

 The present philosophies indirectly blame God. The state of inertia, which is being tried to achieve, was already existing everywhere in the world. Therefore, all these philosophies are perverted. The present philosophy, on the other hand, supports the development of life as the merit of God to enjoy everything with equal interest and involvement. It is in the line of the natural tendency of the developed life. Being a human being with developed faculties of life like senses and feelings it is impossible to develop the inertia. Of course, you get tired due to the activities of awareness and rest, which is total inertia, is needed and it is already provided by God in the form of sleep for a good period in the night. There is no need of inducement of sleep in the awaken state like some wonderful students having the talent of sleep while opening the eyes in the class room to fool the teacher!


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Re: Grief is inevitable in the life. How to cross it?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2012, 05:59:34 PM »
These long stories and explanations are common in the spiritual world. They are effective in getting a person to back down from an emotionally dependent state and more idealistic...but they are not truth. Yes, they are effective, while truth is unimportant.

But no matter how effective vague descriptions are, they do not do anything to help our current existence. They only help us to tolerate it. Why do we not examine truth and life as it exists scientifically, and then change our world? We fight and die for our corrupt government, while we back down and do nothing but smile for God and truth.

Sure, it would seem God's plan is for us to fail now. If I am going to exist spiritually, and spread vague descriptions of ideology, then truth must be a part of it. We have many spiritual leaders from our past...why not have a new one who is truth based and scientific?

Because no one truly cares. We are all pretenders. If you examine religious and spiritual people there will still be the same percentage of liars. We lack commitment. That is an accurate description of humanity...non-committal. People hate the messenger of truth, so we avoid being a part of truth.

When I die no one will be able to label me a pretender. I may be wrong but it won't be because I was a liar, It will be because I am a fool. I would rather be a fool and honest than a pretender who is rich and popular. In the end, pretending will have no effect on anything but our delusion.

Your stories are nice, wise man, but I question the validity of spiritual messages. I know very well how important love and acceptance is, but that is not my job here and now. Truth is my purpose, and it seems my goal is to allow science to be a part of spirituality.

As I said before, when the spiritual wise man speaks of science I will listen.

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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2012, 05:01:39 AM »
These long stories and explanations are common in the spiritual world. They are effective in getting a person to back down from an emotionally dependent state and more idealistic...but they are not truth. Yes, they are effective, while truth is unimportant.

But no matter how effective vague descriptions are, they do not do anything to help our current existence. They only help us to tolerate it. Why do we not examine truth and life as it exists scientifically, and then change our world? We fight and die for our corrupt government, while we back down and do nothing but smile for God and truth.

Sure, it would seem God's plan is for us to fail now. If I am going to exist spiritually, and spread vague descriptions of ideology, then truth must be a part of it. We have many spiritual leaders from our past...why not have a new one who is truth based and scientific?

Because no one truly cares. We are all pretenders. If you examine religious and spiritual people there will still be the same percentage of liars. We lack commitment. That is an accurate description of humanity...non-committal. People hate the messenger of truth, so we avoid being a part of truth.

When I die no one will be able to label me a pretender. I may be wrong but it won't be because I was a liar, It will be because I am a fool. I would rather be a fool and honest than a pretender who is rich and popular. In the end, pretending will have no effect on anything but our delusion.

Your stories are nice, wise man, but I question the validity of spiritual messages. I know very well how important love and acceptance is, but that is not my job here and now. Truth is my purpose, and it seems my goal is to allow science to be a part of spirituality.

As I said before, when the spiritual wise man speaks of science I will listen.

Wade

The Advaitin preaches Atma Yoga to get rid of both happiness and misery.  It is no profit and no loss business, which no fool does. Such Atma Yoga denies the existence of God other than self and this greatest sin generates the continuous punishment to be enjoyed by the soul.  When the punishment is to be implemented, you cannot escape it by limiting yourself to a state of non-involvement.  The powerful divine Maya will catch you and drag you out for giving the punishment.  If the thief hides in underground without any involvement in the world, the police will search for him, catch him and impart the punishment on him.  The final result of Atma Yoga is to become an inert stone but one cannot become even that stone if there is balance of sin and the sin is endless in this case.

Hence, there is no chance of becoming even a stone through Atma Yoga.  However, if you are so fond becoming a stone, you have to worship the Lord who is the controller of yourself. Then, no sin is generated.

When the previous balance of sin is exhausted by punishments, you can become the stone by the grace of God.  Such state represents the deep sleep where the soul has no awareness and remains as a lump of inert energy only with eternal peace.  If such state is the highest, God also should have remained in that state without this creation.  Perhaps, you are wiser than God for having such a better state, which is not realized even by God.

In your opinion God has foolishly created this world to have full enjoyment through full entertainment based on full involvement in the world. When you have become a liberated soul though selfless service to God in human form, you will attain the same state of God of full entertainment in the world based on the full involvement.

 In such state you will enjoy both happiness and misery like sweet and hot dishes in a meal or like comedy and tragedy in cinema or like winter and summer seasons in the world. You may think that you have known this clue and start enjoying the world like God, forgetting the God once again.  You may think that God is no more necessary since the clue of enjoyment is known.

  Now you will become the Bhasmasura who tried to burn Lord Shiva after getting such power from Lord Shiva Himself.  Such ungratefulness to God again generates the sin and to undergo the punishment of that sin Maya will drag you to the lower level of normal human beings. As long as you are in the selfless service of God, you will be always   with God in human form in this world to derive bliss from the entertainment continuously.  If you become far from God by egoism and jealousy by crossing the mark of circle of His closest devotees, the thousands of hands of Maya will bite you like black poisonous serpents. 
 
        To become a liberated soul, one need not exhaust the results of all his deeds to be enjoyed by him. There is no need of transfer of sin to God in this case.  Such transfer of sin only protects the closest devotee before liberation. In the case of the liberated soul, the existing balance of sin can be enjoyed by himself through the divine clue. If the devotee gets this clue from God and maintains His grace through the selfless service, one can be liberated in any moment in this very human life. 

You need not doubt about the balance of the results of his previous deeds.  The doubt has no validity because the moment you become a liberated soul, you are going to enjoy the balance of the results of your deeds also as a part of the world to be enjoyed like that in the future.  Any way he is going to enjoy both sweet and hot dishes in a hotel outside his house.  He can enjoy the sweet and hot dishes left over in his house also in a similar way.  Therefore, the Jeevan Mukti (liberation while alive in this human life) is possible for any one at any time.  It is just like seeing a part of the cinema in your T.V. (the magnitude of the screen is same) in your house and see the next part of cinema in a theatre outside your house immediately.  The story of the cinema is a continuous stream only.
 

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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2012, 09:03:16 AM »
I have a very difficult time understanding your meanings in this post. I call it vagueness. You are obviously very wise but I am not. I am simply a fool who is honest and does not want his peers to misunderstand the wise man, as i do.

There are others like me, but we are lead by a government who must have total control over its people. We have a definite weakness because we have a society that is controled by a government that operates like a machine, that manufactures money and then uses that money to control organized crime. Then they control the power by using that money to employ secret agents to control our leaders by force and threat of death. They use propoganda to control the delusion of its people, and they know more about spirituality than anyone...so it is easy to become God on this planet...as they manufacture a new vibration.

The Secret Service killed the Kennedys because when Russia put nukes on Cuba they beat us to it. Khrushchev had his finger on the trigger and then called Kennedy and told him to start speaking Russian. Kennedy was able to talk him out of nuking us because he had secrets. He offered to make Russia our ally instead of our enemy by sharing the secrets.

Kennedy promised to work with Russia to go to the moon and bring back the archaeology and share the reverse engineering. Since Kennedy was a great leader and honest man, Khrushchev agreed. That is why the Secret Service teamed up with organized crime and killed the Kennedys. Google enterprisemission.

Today the Secret Service manufactures spy equipment and manages organized crime in America and even much of the world. They warehouse and experiment with alien devices. They educate and employ the smartest students from high schools and teach them to keep secrets. And they threaten and kill those who are a threat, as they implement propoganda. They have secret underground facilities and manufacture all scales of weapons.

So, it is hard for a fool to sit around and enjoy being a wise man when the ego defines what we are. Our government has taken control of everything that allows our population to be controled, and the ego is the main tool. Religion also allows them to control us as they transform it into a form of organized crime. They know more about truth than anyone, and so they can easily make truth a rare commodity.

So a wise man can go on and on about vague descriptions of God's plan but he is speaking to a society that requires specific knowledge to overcome its condition. We need to know the exact method to embrace the correct vibration and keep the ego under control, and have a family at the same time. That method is to have truth our ally as we develop faith, and learn to forgive ourselves, and have real and honest love. What we have now is fake.

Wade
 

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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2012, 09:59:28 AM »
I have a very difficult time understanding your meanings in this post. I call it vagueness. You are obviously very wise but I am not. I am simply a fool who is honest and does not want his peers to misunderstand the wise man, as i do.

There are others like me, but we are lead by a government who must have total control over its people. We have a definite weakness because we have a society that is controled by a government that operates like a machine, that manufactures money and then uses that money to control organized crime. Then they control the power by using that money to employ secret agents to control our leaders by force and threat of death. They use propoganda to control the delusion of its people, and they know more about spirituality than anyone...so it is easy to become God on this planet...as they manufacture a new vibration.

The Secret Service killed the Kennedys because when Russia put nukes on Cuba they beat us to it. Khrushchev had his finger on the trigger and then called Kennedy and told him to start speaking Russian. Kennedy was able to talk him out of nuking us because he had secrets. He offered to make Russia our ally instead of our enemy by sharing the secrets.

Kennedy promised to work with Russia to go to the moon and bring back the archaeology and share the reverse engineering. Since Kennedy was a great leader and honest man, Khrushchev agreed. That is why the Secret Service teamed up with organized crime and killed the Kennedys. Google enterprisemission.

Today the Secret Service manufactures spy equipment and manages organized crime in America and even much of the world. They warehouse and experiment with alien devices. They educate and employ the smartest students from high schools and teach them to keep secrets. And they threaten and kill those who are a threat, as they implement propoganda. They have secret underground facilities and manufacture all scales of weapons.

So, it is hard for a fool to sit around and enjoy being a wise man when the ego defines what we are. Our government has taken control of everything that allows our population to be controled, and the ego is the main tool. Religion also allows them to control us as they transform it into a form of organized crime. They know more about truth than anyone, and so they can easily make truth a rare commodity.

So a wise man can go on and on about vague descriptions of God's plan but he is speaking to a society that requires specific knowledge to overcome its condition. We need to know the exact method to embrace the correct vibration and keep the ego under control, and have a family at the same time. That method is to have truth our ally as we develop faith, and learn to forgive ourselves, and have real and honest love. What we have now is fake.

Wade
 



The atheist says that God does not exist. For him God is nothing i.e., vacant space. This is the first stage. When he sees miracles he becomes the believer in God. He accepts God as some power or energy. The power or energy is also formless, like vacant space. So the concept of God is near to his previous concept and thus the atheist (Scientist) accepts the formless (Nirakara) God very easily. The third stage is God with form (Sakara). In this stage statues in the human form are introduced. The training is given to do the sixteen upacharas (services) to these statues in human form. This training indicates that they have to worship the God in human form in this way. The sixteen upacharas are actually related to the human form only. For eg: the first upachara ‘Aavahanam’ means invitation corresponds to the human being only and not to inert statue. The statue in the temple is better than the statue in your house.

Why? Because in the temple the ‘Pranaprathista’ i.e., initiation of life is done to the statue. This again indicates that you have to worship the statue with life. The concept is the inert statue plus life is equal to human being. Therefore in the temple the statue indicates that you have to worship the statue with life i.e., the human form of God only. Like this you are slowly trained to worship the human form of the God by the sixteen upacharas. In this training when your egoism and jealousy is completely destroyed now the human form of the God is introduced. Unless your egoism and jealousy are completely destroyed you cannot accept the human form directly. So the worship of the inert statue in the human form introduces the concept of human form, then the initiation of life (Prana pratishta) introduces the concept of living human form. Thus this is a gradual transformation of you by reducing your egoism and jealousy. When your egoism and jealousy are completely removed, the final human form of God is introduced. Only a particular man like Lord Krishna is God. This is Advaita philosophy, which is extended to every man due to the same jealousy and egoism. If every man is God, nobody requires salvation.

Like this when you are travelling from vacant space to formless energy or power then you are accepting the human form but without life which is a statue in your house. In the same stage you are accepting the statue plus life in the temple, which means only a living human form. Finally you are catching the God in the present living human form. Whatever I preached here is having the best practical proof. Hanuman, the greatest of the human beings in this world worshipped Rama only who was a living human being in his time. He did not go down i.e.; he never meditated upon the formless God or the statues. In Valmiki Ramayana such things are not mentioned. He never worshipped even previous human incarnations like ‘Vamana’. He worshipped only the human incarnation present in his generation.

Similarly Radha never worshipped ‘Rama’ but worshipped only Krishna who was the human incarnation of her generation. As per Bhagavatham Radha also never worshipped the statues or the formless God. Hanuman became Brahma and Radha became the queen of the 15th World ‘Goloka’. Nobody in this world will attain a better position than these two. So your spiritual journey must end in recognizing the human incarnation of God present in your generation. God is impartial and so He comes down in human form in every generation. If you say Lord Krishna is only the latest incarnation, then that generation was blessed and God became partial. Therefore God is coming in human form in every human generation. People are not recognizing Him because after the incarnation of Krishna the egoism and jealousy are growing continuously in all the human beings. The man did not recognize the God coming in human form after Krishna. After Krishna and before ‘Kalki’ is ‘Kaliyuga’. Due to the influence of the ‘Kali’ people are full of egoism and jealousy and so they cannot recognize the human form of God in ‘Kaliyuga’.

God comes in different human forms in the same time in various levels for the sake of devotees in various levels. He comes as a schoolteacher for the school students, as a lecturer for the college students and as a Professor for the post graduate students. Since the school students and college students are large in number he comes down as a number of schoolteachers and college lecturers. Such incarnations are called as ‘Amsavataras’, which mean the incarnations of a small portion of His power. The incarnation of His radiation is called ‘Kalavatara’ which is the formless God like light worshipped by some believers. The light travels as waves and the Siva Linga in the temple represents this formless God. Since the Post graduation students are less in number only one professor comes down and He is the ‘Pari poorna tamavathara’ i.e., the most complete incarnation, which reveals the final true knowledge. He is called ‘Satguru’ or the original Datta in the human form.

Datta exists in two forms. 1) The three headed form. 2) One headed form. The three headed form indicates ‘Para brahma’ (God) who creates, rules and destroys the Universe by His three faces. The other single headed form is the external human form in which the three-headed form exists as the internal form, which is not seen. This is the essence of the ‘Eka Mukha Datta’ (One headed from) and ‘Trimukha Datta’ (The three headed form). Therefore the Schoolteacher shows miracles and converts the atheist into theist. The college lecturer trains the theists in the worship of the statues having human form to remove ego and jealousy in the man and make him a devotee. The last university professor gives the final true knowledge that God comes down in human form only and that He (the professor) Himself is God.

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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2012, 01:09:53 PM »
I am not an atheist. I know that we are souls who incarnate into a vibrating world. I know that when we die we seek a path of light, and if we have lived the kind of life that allowed us to find truth and accept it, we have a choice. We can continue to live in the delusion of the ego and have vibration stay attached to our soul, or we can discover faith, learn to forgive ourselves, and find love.

If we have accomplished our purpose in life, we have lowered the vibration that is attached and we can stay on the path of light and go towards God. If we have not, then we get knocked off the path and cannot get back on. Then we are in Hell, and there are two bands of Hell that each have three divisions. The third band surrounding the path of light is Heaven. Beyond Heaven, farther down the path, is the akashic record where everything we do is recorded.

We record our life onto particles that are found in a stage of existence close to God. We have a definite purpose and we are not fooling anyone as we live our life. It is how God designed our life. We have a job to do here.

A wise man also shows who he truly is and even he cannot fool anyone. He also cannot fool a fool. I chose to be a fool and I accept my role in this world. I seek truth and I share it. I may not have much understanding of the science of vibration, but I know that vibration defines who and what we are.

An atheist is someone who cannot distinguish between egoic delusion and reality. They are no diffefrent than any other egoic person...they are temporarily on the wrong path. And if they do not seek truth, they will be in the same place as the religious person, who has also lived an egoic life.

We have choices. Being human is a wonderful gift. We have tough challenges...yes. But what would our life be if we were just wallpaper? Just know that we are being challenged, and that we can accomplish our purpose...even if we are a fool.

Wade

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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2012, 01:14:56 PM »
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Of the first band, there are three "rings". The first ring is just above the Earth. The soul resides here in a life similar to the material life it had on Earth. This realm is furnished with the same physical objects that are familiar. There is a landscape that matches Earth. This is where souls reside if their vibration is too high to embrace spirituality. They live as they did on Earth because they have no means to change the vibration, and they have no awareness.

The second ring is less dense and more withdrawn from the material plane. Souls may improve their surroundings as they experience a taste of spirituality. They feel less of an attachment to the life they lived. Their realm is more desirable than the prior ring, and is preparation for a spiritual experience. There is beauty in the surroundings. This soul has lived life in the material plane with no direction, and is very selfish.

The third ring is similar to the second, but there is more beauty in the surroundings, and a less physical existence is realized. This soul is still focused on the material world and has a sense of right and wrong based on personal gains. Excuses are still a dominant theme for these souls in the material life. This ring is the final stage before a soul can follow the path of light to the second "band". The vibration determines where the soul resides in the first "band", as far as which of the three rings, and we must be reincarnated to lower that vibration.

Cayce noticed that as he traveled through these rings there were souls struggling to reach the path of light, but could not. He went through all stages of the spiritual realm as he made it to the Akashic Record, which is the "book of life" all souls write and is etched into the basic fabric of the universe...on an atomic level. Not until he reached Heaven, the third band, did he notice souls were not continually suffering to get to the light.
 
Once a soul has become aware of the need to lower vibration, and has traveled down the light, it now has come to the second band. Their awareness is not a conscious thought, but they may have developed "common sense", which is a primary requirement to reduce vibration. A prolonged stay in the first band may have triggered a sense that life is a lesson.

The fourth ring is the beginning of the new band. Souls are no longer attached to the physical existence, and they can no longer see Earth. They are still self absorbed and have limited ability to change their surroundings. They may build upon the landscape established by prior souls, or they may learn to alter it somewhat. This soul has started to understand the difference between right and wrong, but does not believe in things they cannot see.

The fifth ring is inhabited by selfish and false religious pretenders. They are manipulators who see themselves as heavenly spirits. Souls who share similar beliefs group together and play their "games". They are self-righteous and egoic, but are aware of the commitment toward spirituality. Souls remain here for many lives until they lower vibration, which is difficult with ego attached. Their sense of right and wrong is real but they may think they can control the bottom line through deceit.

The sixth ring is inhabited by souls who are materialistic intellectuals. They understand the concept of spirituality and implement it so they enjoy and profit. They may be more committed, but serve no true purpose as they are still self-serving. This is where souls remain for a very long time since they cannot understand a cause worthy of sacrifice. They make an effort to be honest, but the bottom line affects their choices. They live through ideals but when it becomes difficult, they utilize delusions to simplify their decision making.

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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2012, 01:20:17 PM »
Forgiveness is an act of grace, but it is not given. It is received. The only true forgiveness is a gift from us to ourself. We never have to forgive another. We only have to see the beauty of the spirit. That is our quest...to forgive ourselves enough that we can see...to see the beauty of the spirit we love...not loved, because the love never ends.

Faith. Forgiveness. Love. Any of these things destroy the barrier...the ego. But reality...supported by the negativity that remains when the positive was removed, overwhelms us. And all we have to do is have faith, forgive ourselves, and love another...and we leave this world without ego. We have to leave this world without ego, or we will be back again...to suffer more. Maybe 99% of people who die will be back.

More than thirty years ago, I was given the chance to leave the material world...to see the truth...all of the truth in the universe. When I came back, I couldn't remember all the truth I discovered, but I never forgot how I felt. It was pure ecstacy. And now, one year ago (2010), I was given that chance again...to see the truth firsthand. Again, I cannot remember...but I was reminded how I felt long ago. I was among friends, and the truth surrounded me...exactly the same way. I still had the faith, and for the first time...I had forgiveness.

What I felt most of all, was the love...not one born out of a weak spirit, or a strong ego...not a falsehood born from compromise. We accomplished our goal thousands of years in the past, but the science of the world is unstable and incomplete. In the future faith will happen again, after we have again built a world with the ego under control. I remember where my faith is, where my forgiveness is, and where my love is.

Wade


 

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