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DiminishingInsanity

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Drugs and Spirituality
« on: September 03, 2012, 06:05:38 PM »
Last night I had bad stomach cramps. I took too many pain meds including hydrocodone. It was a bad night. The pain gradually subsided and I fell asleep. When I woke up this morning, after throwing up a bit, I feel like I love everybody and everything.

The proponents of LSD claim that it can advance people Spiritually, and the Native Americans seem to have similar thoughts about their drugs of choice. I'd be interested in hearing people's views on this. Is Spiritual advancement benefited or harmed by drug use?
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 07:34:05 PM »
Strong drugs have already proven their ability to help us reach awareness. Anything that takes us out of our delusion and allows us to look within, or view ourselves from a new perspective, will have the potential to let us blossom. But we come right back to the truth of our inner struggles.

No matter how many times a person can say that truth is not important, there is no truth, or we all have our own truth, the goal we all share remains. We have to seek truth. Truth is discovered, not created. That truth lies within. We have to see who we really are and then be able to forgive ourselves. Or, you can just ignore me and get your way. That is good too, right?

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Re: Drugs and Spirituality
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2012, 02:37:30 PM »
Certain substances can certainly help in a spiritual quest, but there are several dangers that one should always be cognizant of - proper dosage and delusions of having achieved some level of enlightenment among them.

They are a tool, not a shortcut, and should always be utilized as such.

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Re: Drugs and Spirituality
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2012, 04:22:34 AM »
What substances would you recommend?

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Re: Drugs and Spirituality
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2012, 07:01:33 PM »
What substances would you recommend?
Well, I'm not a licensed pharmacist so I won't touch the prescribed ones. That just leaves the less-common or more-illegal ones.

Of those, a lot depends upon what you're trying to accomplish - what level of "quest" you're going on. I believe that too many people want to use drugs as a shortcut, but I also believe that you gain only in respect to the effort you put forth - in other words, there ARE no shortcuts.

That being said, there are many substances that can be researched, procured and ingested to aid in "loosening up the mind" and giving new and unique insights into life. If you wanted to be all-inclusive you could find a list such as is posted by INCB - their "Green List".

If on the other hand you want to hear the opinion of an aging hippie, you might start off with marijuana and see what it does. It's the most benign of all psychotropic substances so it's probably the best to start with.

After that comes a list of increasingly mind-expanding - and dangerous - substances such as hashish, LSD, psilocybin and opium. Leave out the amphetamines, the coke, the heroin and such - they aren't worth the physical damage they do.

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Re: Drugs and Spirituality
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2012, 04:43:23 PM »
     I did not miss the 60's, I was right in the middle of them. I did a lot of drugs on a spiritual quest. I got a lot of answers to all of the worlds ills and my own personal ills. The only problem with the use of the drugs was that when I came down from the high I could not remember what it was that I had learned. What I came to realize over the years is that I did not earn the information that came to me. It is my experience from life that the drugs are for the most part just a temporary shortcut. I still had to do the work to fully comprehend the knowledge that I was given.
     
      I do ceremony today and I have talked with many Shaman , and Medicine Men and Women. The plants are there for us to show us that these worlds are there. Some people need that drastic of a jolt to cause them to search or to break them out of old belief patterns. The real Shaman and Medicine people see this how I see it. The plants and medicines of that nature can be used once or twice at the most to show us those worlds, but it is up to us to do the personal clearing work that allows us to access those worlds and levels naturally without the drugs.

     There are real spirits that guard these doorways and they take a look at you to give you what it is that you need. Do not confuse needs with wants. If you go this route find a real guide and know that the real people will not put you out the same day. Some of these journeys take months, and up to a year to prepare for. In the end you are still going to have to do the work.     

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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2012, 08:56:52 AM »
Hi Ishtahota, nice to see you here. Insightful post as usual.
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2012, 08:15:17 AM »
I think if one is going to Awaken, or under grace, it doesn't really matter, Awakening is going to be there either way, but if one is only trying to awaken through the use of drugs, then no, it wont happen.
Never become a Christian. If you want to become something, become a Christ. Never become a Buddhist. If you want to become something, become a Buddha.

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2013, 03:49:29 AM »
I think if one is going to Awaken, or under grace, it doesn't really matter, Awakening is going to be there either way, but if one is only trying to awaken through the use of drugs, then no, it wont happen.

It seems like awakening is impossible without God, and I'm not sure why God would be affected by drugs.
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