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When Is It Okay To Lie?
« on: July 17, 2012, 02:29:31 AM »
If we accept spirit as truth then to lie is the equivalent of rejecting spirit. In most cases we can say that it's best to tell the truth, but when, if ever, is it okay to lie? Are social "white" lies okay? How about lying on taxes, or lying to not hurt somebody's feelings?

I once cared for a demented woman who's son had died tragically some years back. Everyday she would ask the staff where her son was. We learned quickly that when we told her the truth she relived all the horror and sorrow like it had just happened. It wasn't long before we were all lying to her like it was the best thing to do.

I tend to think that in an imperfect world no one rule can ever be appropriate all the time. So, which is it? Should we never lie? Are there times when we should? What are the exceptions?
« Last Edit: July 17, 2012, 04:43:14 AM by DiminishingInsanity »
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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 03:17:07 AM »
Actually, as I go on and on and on...exhale...about truth, I am not even discussing it. I am simply exaggerating the example society displays for all of us. Lying is not the issue. It is about liars. There are many ways to explain what a liar does. It is pretty much all simple math.

Now truth is another matter. It is the word...TRUTH...that breaks the barriers put up by egoic addictions. Addictions that are invisable, even to the persons infected, are the foundation for our existence. We don't even know we are pretending because we never get caught. It is simply business as usual.

But when a perverse self-acknowleged fool comes along, one who has nothing to lose, because he has sacrificed his role in society, then hate is undeniable. I cultivate hate...in a world of farmers. The word TRUTH is the enemy.

Lying is noble in itself...if spoken by an honest person. Truth from the mouth of a liar is what America is made of. America will be a word that describes saturation of lies, in the future. And the word fool will describe the foundation for TRUTH.

Fear is what we have inside, because we know the truth. Are we brave enough to be a fool, that is the question.

Wade American fool

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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 03:34:22 AM »
While I don't approve nor try to promote lying, I admit that there are some situations such as the one you relay, DR, when really the lie or falsehood is more humane than the truth. We fib to our friends to make them feel better about a bad haircut, we lie to our children when we lay presents under a Christmas tree and tell them from Santa. Lies are only hurtful when they're manufactured for the explicit, express purpose of hurting someone.

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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 11:16:29 AM »
Lies are only hurtful when they're manufactured for the explicit, express purpose of hurting someone.
I'd agree with you on that one. It's actually incredibly difficult to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth all the time. There are instances when to do so is not the best path to take, either for yourself or someone you care about. Sometimes being economical with the truth is the kindest way to proceed.

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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2012, 12:36:57 PM »
Lying is the basis of our society, and is gawjuss.

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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2012, 06:46:19 PM »
I agree that there are times that it is better not to tell the truth since that truth could hurt or destroy someone. If words could hurt and it would not do any good, then white lies could be acceptable since the intention is good.

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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2012, 10:01:28 PM »
If words could hurt and it would not do any good, then white lies could be acceptable since the intention is good.

Thank you for this. It's opened my eyes to a new way of looking at it. If it is important to do no harm, sometimes it may be better to lie.
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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 10:04:48 PM »
It's actually incredibly difficult to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth all the time.

It may be better sometimes to simply remain silent. The truth is we owe nobody an explanation for anything.
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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2012, 10:06:46 PM »
While I don't approve nor try to promote lying, I admit that there are some situations such as the one you relay, DR, when really the lie or falsehood is more humane than the truth. We fib to our friends to make them feel better about a bad haircut, we lie to our children when we lay presents under a Christmas tree and tell them from Santa. Lies are only hurtful when they're manufactured for the explicit, express purpose of hurting someone.

Thanks for your reply. Actually, I'm a nurse.
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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2012, 03:50:42 PM »
Thanks for your reply. Actually, I'm a nurse.

One million apologies!!!! LOL..... I wasn't referring to you as DR...I meant DI....a shortcut for your screen name.... Alas, I was too lazy to type it in it's entirety. And that's no lie. :)

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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2012, 04:54:05 PM »
While I don't approve nor try to promote lying, I admit that there are some situations such as the one you relay, DR, when really the lie or falsehood is more humane than the truth. We fib to our friends to make them feel better about a bad haircut, we lie to our children when we lay presents under a Christmas tree and tell them from Santa. Lies are only hurtful when they're manufactured for the explicit, express purpose of hurting someone.
I wonder ... could not a white lie go down the line and grow so powerful as to cause harm? They might start with the best of intentions, but like the road to Hell it ends up in a nasty place.

If someone is holding a gun to my face, demanding I tell them they're wonderful, you can bet I'll do it. On a lesser level are the socially-accepted lies - "You look great!" - especially among friends, relatives and spouses.

Schools teach our children lies on a daily basis, politicians lie to us while their hand is still on the Bible and the media makes the lies look like truth. Parents lie to their children, children to their parents. Heck, we even lie to our pets when it's time to visit the vet's office.

Life would I think be very difficult, if not downright dangerous, if we told the truth all the time. Think about that Jim Carey movie, Liar, Liar - that will tell you what a life of exclusively truth-telling would get you.

As long as you don't lie to yourself ...

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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2012, 05:50:16 PM »
While I don't approve nor try to promote lying, I admit that there are some situations such as the one you relay, DR, when really the lie or falsehood is more humane than the truth. We fib to our friends to make them feel better about a bad haircut, we lie to our children when we lay presents under a Christmas tree and tell them from Santa. Lies are only hurtful when they're manufactured for the explicit, express purpose of hurting someone.

I agree with this sentiment. I also would add that lies are hurtful and dangerous when used to manipulate some or a group of people. Politicians have this down cold. It's possible that what starts off as a simple "white" lie and led to a web of lies. As the says goes, the path to hell is paved with good intentions. Still, I think it's best to err on the side of compassion.

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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2012, 06:41:27 PM »
I wonder ... could not a white lie go down the line and grow so powerful as to cause harm? They might start with the best of intentions, but like the road to Hell it ends up in a nasty place.

Reminds me of chaos theory. A fart in America sends a typhoon to China.

Life would I think be very difficult, if not downright dangerous, if we told the truth all the time. Think about that Jim Carey movie, Liar, Liar - that will tell you what a life of exclusively truth-telling would get you.

An even better one was The Invention of Lying. Absolutely hilarious!
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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2012, 06:42:59 PM »
One million apologies!!!! LOL..... I wasn't referring to you as DR...I meant DI....a shortcut for your screen name.... Alas, I was too lazy to type it in it's entirety. And that's no lie. :)

No problem. I'd rather be a doctor than have to die anyway :)
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Re: When Is It Okay To Lie?
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2012, 06:48:00 PM »
I agree with this sentiment. I also would add that lies are hurtful and dangerous when used to manipulate some or a group of people.

How about this one? "You can't get pregnant the first time."
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